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Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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The real reason is that most job descriptions are posted by recruiters, and they don't want you to find the company without going through them. They scrub them of any info that could be used to locate the careers page of the company.

Not really. Googling key phrases frequently lets you find the company anyway.

Moreover, the recruiter has an economic incentive to shepherd you through the process

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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They don't?

No, they don't of course. Maybe 99% (or more) resumes are full of fake info or included what entire department did. I help our clients to find the right people for positions and this is a daily challenge.

What metrics do you use to filter this out (e.g. someone claiming credit for things they did not do)

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

#13
How they make the sausage doesn't really seem appropriate for job descriptions to me... but as far as filling roles goes I find that more often than not the people writing the job descriptions simply have a poor understanding of the role and the requirements needed to ensure success in that role.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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They don't?

No, they don't of course. Maybe 99% (or more) resumes are full of fake info or included what entire department did. I help our clients to find the right people for positions and this is a daily challenge.

I don't believe that, or at least I think 99% is a considerable exaggeration. My resume has never been based on anything but what I did, because every person I've worked with in a department has a different role. I couldn't take credit for their work because it's palpably not what I do. And if I did, I'd end up doing similar things, which is not what I want or I already would've been doing them.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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The real reason is that most job descriptions are posted by recruiters, and they don't want you to find the company without going through them. They scrub them of any info that could be used to locate the careers page of the company.

In practice, they don't make it very hard to find out who it is, even if the job is not in the careers site of the employer.

However, it's courteous to work with the person who brought it to you, and I assume it's to your advantage, since they have an incentive to get you past the gatekeepers.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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The real reason is that most job descriptions are posted by recruiters, and they don't want you to find the company without going through them. They scrub them of any info that could be used to locate the careers page of the company.

In practice, they don't make it very hard to find out who it is, even if the job is not in the careers site of the employer. However, it's courteous to work with the person who brought it to you, and I assume it's to your advantage, since they have an incentive to get you past the gatekeepers.

In practice, the recruiting company does not want you to know who they are recruiting for, but the recruiter themselves will do anything they can to place you.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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On the boards I look for jobs this is a problem. Many are posted by recruitment agencies that don't want to leak information that would allow someone to apply direct and bypass the agency (meaning they will lost their commission), and as such they try to be vague, maybe citing the sector at most.

Also there is a sense of salesmanship in the ads, and telling you that you'll be grinding out JavaEE isn't what they'd like to highlight, but they'll find some distinguishing features such as 'casual dress', or 'why commute to the city when you can work around the corner' or what not.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

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They don't?

No, they don't of course. Maybe 99% (or more) resumes are full of fake info or included what entire department did. I help our clients to find the right people for positions and this is a daily challenge.

You are needed over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18033606

Perhaps you chime in to say how you overcome some of our concerns in that post.

Re: Why don't job descriptions explain what the company does, and how?

#20
To simplify your question:

Why does Bossbert write the Job Description - because he thinks he knows something.

Why does Catbert edit the Job Description - because if they do not then they have a hard time justifying their value.

Why does not Dilbert write the job description - because a job description that reads 20 pages is a bit much.

I recommend a website called Glassdoor. I used them to avoid a job, I was unemployed, and this company was interested in me. Reading on glassdoor, everyone thought it was the best place to work. Everyone except the IT people. They thought it was just atrocious, and the turn over rate was over 100% in IT. No thanks - I would prefer to remain unemployed verses entering that mess.

Alternatively you can go on linked in, see who works there, hopefully you know someone who knows them, get an introduction, and find the real dirt.

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