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Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans to Closely Track Search Users in China

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Not for me it doesn't. 69 on Mac OS.

It's not just JoshMnem who has this, the same happens to me. Running 69 on Windows.

> the same happens to me

In about:settings, does it say at the top "Syncing to codefined", or is there a button you can press to "Sync as codefined". Maybe the confusion is the UI.

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>Google is selling out for nothing. I don't understand the notion. Google already censors anything they like with very advanced methods that even provide them with plausible deniability, high specificity etc. And I bet they're better than the Chinese at tracking literally everything you do online and connecting that with your real, offline identity, complete with your entire social network graph, your biometrics, SSN…

Censorship is a government action. When people and private companies do it, it's called filtering. There's a world of difference between an individual or company having control over data vs. a government. People and companies with heavy influence can mess things up a quite a bit, sure, but they can't arrest, imprison, sentence or put anyone to death.

That world of difference is a very small world given the kind of collusion that goes on these days. In China, it's probably about the size of a desktop globe.

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>Damore has confirmed to multiple outlets that he was terminated for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/8/16106728/google-fire...

Ok thanks, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you meant that he went on record saying something like "I'm perpetuating gender stereotypes". Instead, it looks like he's just confirmed that Google thought he was perpetuating gender stereotypes, and that's what he was fired for, which is no surprise.

It doesn't really matter what he thinks he did, because NLRB deemed it a legal reason for firing him. It's not unique to Google, and considering he's suing for discrimination against white conservative men I don't think his lawyer would let him say something like that anyways.

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That was back in February. Since then there's been some shuffling of the companies who own the servers with the keys so that China now has access. From July 2018: >Fast forward to today: China Telecom, a government owned telco, is taking over the iCloud data from Guizhou-Cloud Big Data. This essentially means that a state-owned firm now has access to all the iCloud data China-based users store, such as photos, notes,…

That report doesn't say that Apple no longer retains control of the keys.

The old mantra: physical access is root access.

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Google is doing what already happens in China. What if the torturer used Google to look up torturing techniques? We should just leak all of their source code. To go even further, the taxes China collects the imports you buy may be paying the torturer. I'm going to need you to give all your credit card information for me to make sure.

No, sorry, you can't evade moral culpability like that. Congress was correct to call Yahoo's actions regarding Shi Tao "inexcusably negligent behavior at best, and deliberately deceptive behavior at worst".

Dragonfly is about as far removed from Shi Tao as your Chinese import purchases. And since when has Congress having a vocal opinion on anything ever been anything but pandering to their voters?

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>Google is selling out for nothing. I don't understand the notion. Google already censors anything they like with very advanced methods that even provide them with plausible deniability, high specificity etc. And I bet they're better than the Chinese at tracking literally everything you do online and connecting that with your real, offline identity, complete with your entire social network graph, your biometrics, SSN…

Censorship is a government action. When people and private companies do it, it's called filtering. There's a world of difference between an individual or company having control over data vs. a government. People and companies with heavy influence can mess things up a quite a bit, sure, but they can't arrest, imprison, sentence or put anyone to death.

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Re: Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans to Closely Track Search Users in China

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>Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained “pixel trackers” that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined. This seems like the worst part (not that the rest is not bad), anyone has an idea of what this "pixel trackers" are and how they actually work?

That seems so odd. Doesn't Google's corporate email system have read receipts like Microsoft Outlook?

Re: Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans to Closely Track Search Users in China

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Google is already a creepy organization. Android is intentionally designed to leak like a sieve, they are stalking people 24/7. No one at Google can pretend they are not building invasive surveillance systems, they can only hand wave it away and attempt valiantly to 'normalize' it.

Whether it is amazon and its work practices, Google or Facebook the common factor is there are thousands of employees willing to do their bidding without protest, without mass resignations, without whistle blowers.

Its difficult to believe that after decades of posturing about freedom and liberty there is only one person in technology who had the guts and integrity to stand up.

Everyone else in spite of knowing what these companies are upto are lining up to sellout. What these discussions do on technology forums is perpetuate the illusion that people care and gives apologists and sellouts an opportunity to normalize, diminish and dilute the implications of surveillance and stalking.

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> "The Dragonfly memo reveals that a prototype of the censored search engine was being developed as an app for both Android and iOS devices, and would force users to sign in so they could use the service. The memo confirms, as The Intercept first reported last week, that users’ searches would be associated with their personal phone number. The memo adds that Chinese users’ movements would also be stored, along with t…

I installed Chromium on Ubuntu today, and on the first run was given an opportunity to opt out from Google's personalized ads being shown to me based on my entire web browsing history. It was that moment when I realized, that what I had just installed was not primarily a web browser, but a Google application with a web browsing feature built-in. Because everything in it was built to optimize Google's ad revenue. It e…

What if we use ungoogled-chromium instead? How effective is it at removing Google from the browser?

Re: Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans to Closely Track Search Users in China

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That fiasco earlier this year with James Damore comes to mind.

Damore was fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes. Even he confirmed it. That isn't unique to Google, and employee policy is not manipulation of search results.

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