Genuine question: why is there not more outrage over Bing working in China? Surely there's as much user tracking/censorship as Google is doing?
this is one of the reasons why I left MS working on Bing (though, not the most important at that time)
Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans to Closely Track Search Users in China
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#52>Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained “pixel trackers” that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined. This seems like the worst part (not that the rest is not bad), anyone has an idea of what this "pixel trackers" are and how they actually work?
The hypocrisy of Google embedding pixel trackers to monitor their own employees while forbidding external images in their gmail service to prevent companies trying to abuse users with pixel trackers is painfully blatant.
Do as I say, but my company is super special so we'll just do whatever we feel like.
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#53Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc). If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing (while mak…
So, here's an honest question: How do they find people to work on these products if the general consensus is that this is a bad thing to do? How do they keep word of these projects from spreading within the company?
It seems if enough people feel strongly about this, then at least one would quit after being assigned to this project, and even if there's an NDA and they can't relate the details of why they quit, it would be alarming enough to say "I felt compelled to quit because I could not in good conscience work on the project I was assigned." I'm not sure an NDA can protect against something like that.
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#54Ouch. It must be really fun for Googlers to hear their company is working so hard to repress dissidents trying to reveal its secret project to help China repress dissidents.
Fact of the matter is that there is a Chinese internet and a US internet. Going forward there will be a Chinese internet, that some authoritarian countries will adopt that are a part of the Chinese sphere of influence. American companies, and the American government through them want a foothold on that internet. This is the only way for them to do so. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-p...
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#56Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc). If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing (while mak…
> Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc).
I hate to break this to you, but the anti-Google bias is well beyond HN. Google is pissing off conservatives who think you censor them, civil rights activists who are being ignored, privacy activists who want Google to be accountable, regular users who simply can't figure out how to get Google to stop tracking them, developers who go unheard on your message boards, influencers who are tired of Google unilaterally imposing their will on the internet (coughAMPcough), and a ration of other people who are just tired of Google having it's nose in literally everything they touch.
Google is held to the standard it wants to be held to. You think Project Zero can just go around blackmailing competitors forever without eventually pissing someone off? When was the last time Microsoft or Apple publicly disclosed a Google Zero Day? Google does that all the time.
You can't try to maintain 99% market share in search and not expect people to hold you to a high standard. Google put itself here and now has it in it's collective head that it's "too big and important to fail."
Even you are going around the internet saying that Google can do no wrong despite being confronted with an endless stream of evidence proving otherwise. LISTEN. TO. PEOPLE.
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#57Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc). If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing (while mak…
I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news
I think you are correct. But I don't think it's people being anti-Google because it's Google, or tribalism, or whatever. It's people being anti-bad things, and Google has evolved into a bad thing.
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Or you could just use Chromium.
Chromium has many of the same problems as Chrome. I don't think Google can be trusted to not abuse their position any more.
I wonder how far they can push it before one of the larger more open distro's just goes "yep, that was far as you are going" and we end up with the Chromed Ice Weasel.
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#59Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc). If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing (while mak…
I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news I think you are correct. But I don't think it's people being anti-Google because it's Google, or tribalism, or whatever. It's people being anti-bad things, and Google has evolved into a bad thing.
A bias is defined as an unfair leaning towards one opinion regardless of stimulus. If you're saying that Google is being evaluated fairly, you are disagreeing with the parent's claim that HN is biased.
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#60Disclaimer: I work for Google. I also think that there is an anti-Google bias on hacker news, holding Google to a standard not applied to others and taking any excuse to roll out the same old tired rants in response to almost any Google post (DAE Google Reader etc). If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing (while mak…
> If what I read is true then this is the first thing that has truly rocked my confidence that the company generally tries to do the right thing
Officially removing "Don't be evil" wasn't enough of a hint for you?