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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by nindalf »

forthefuture wrote: post #139
greeneggs wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those Maps blurbs, like for Malta, do not come from Wikipedia.

But they all used to, which means functionally the only difference is now there isn't a link so I have to make an additional request, in a new tab, directly to Wikipedia for more information (Demographics, Economics, Government, etc).

Except the top result for "malta" on google is the wikipedia page. I know you're trying to make it sound it's very taxing ("I have to make an additional request, in a new tab...") but it really isn't.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by rchaud »

christoph wrote: post #115
adriand wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy thought, but, what if the primary motivation of the creator of JGuitar has nothing to do with his website, his reputation, etc.? For example, what if his primary motivation is to do something useful for others? What if his primary motivation is just to improve the enjoyment of people who like playing guitar? I agree that Apple should have handled this differently. At the same time, I think we should honour this…

Firstly, I do understand why people think this is Apple being a bit scummy, I really do. However, I do want to say exactly what you have. When I reached the bottom of the article I was expecting to see a rant/moan about how hard done by he was by "big evil corporation" and wanted some sort of compensation. I was stunned he invited Apple to reach out, so together they could make it better for everyone. Truly refreshin…

> Truly refreshing and reminded me of the attitude I saw more often in the early days of the web.

Kudos to the author for that. Unfortunately, he has extended his well-meaning olive branch to companies built on the philosophy of Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by alfredmuffin »

nathancahill wrote: post #112

There's a lot of misunderstanding here. As someone that has been in a similar situation: 1. It's not Apple, it was Workflows that wrote the tool. 2. It's not an integration, it's an example of how to use Shortcuts. 3. The biggest pain point won't be bandwidth (OP seems to know what they're doing with caching) but fielding user requests/complaints/spam without the upside of the web traffic. iOS 12 has only been up for…

wrong

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by JimA »

dazmax wrote: post #145
threeseed wrote: post #133

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Being a little disingenuous there. Scraping != Linking. Scraping involves stealing and reusing content from another party. Linking does not.

This shortcut could be seen as scraping the website, since it's just pulling out one image

Scraping = save a local copy of the image Linking = point to source image

If they are referring to jguitar.com each time then this is linking.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by tcfunk »

dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

> That's how the internet works.

Not if the EU has anything to say about it!

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

nindalf wrote: post #151
forthefuture wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they all used to, which means functionally the only difference is now there isn't a link so I have to make an additional request, in a new tab, directly to Wikipedia for more information (Demographics, Economics, Government, etc).

Except the top result for "malta" on google is the wikipedia page. I know you're trying to make it sound it's very taxing ("I have to make an additional request, in a new tab...") but it really isn't.

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by wnkrshm »

catoc wrote: post #51
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

Why call a lawyer? The OP put something on the internet with the intention for others to use it. Apple used it. Is there anything on his site (terms,"rules") that indicate what Apple is doing is considered non-acceptable use? Shouldn't we be happy the world can still work like this - bottom-up implementation with presumably good intentions - instead of having to talk to lawyers before every tiny step we take? We're t…

The basis of copyright is that you own what you make and you retain the exclusive right to publish it and decide how it should be published.

If you don't have any terms of service or any kind of licensing info on your website the default is: it belongs to you and you choose to exclusively publish your work on that website. Just because there's no license info doesn't mean it's public domain. You have the right to cite the content properly (meaning attribution) as part of anther work under fair use.

The problem here is the technicality of what it actually means to publish on a website.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#158

Post by piyush_soni »

briandear wrote: post #138
piyush_soni wrote: post #69

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Oh no. Whenever a corporate is trying to make 'bulk requests' to your website, primarily so that the users don't have to visit your site, it totally warrants for at least a permission (separate licensing, to be more fair). It's called freeloading otherwise.

Is a “corporation” making bulk requests? Or are users of shortcuts making requests?

The corporation is allowing it to happen. Users won't do it otherwise.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #132
cyborgx7 wrote: post #109

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You're right, the big companies are the biggest offenders against this intended use of the web. And that's bad. And they aren't accessing others intellectual property with this. They are building custom tools to display other's intellectual property. Very different.

So Google, Microsoft and Apple who fund and build the web browser you are currently using are against the intended use of the web. I wish more companies would "offend" then.

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by brennebeck »

rchaud wrote: post #152
christoph wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, I do understand why people think this is Apple being a bit scummy, I really do. However, I do want to say exactly what you have. When I reached the bottom of the article I was expecting to see a rant/moan about how hard done by he was by "big evil corporation" and wanted some sort of compensation. I was stunned he invited Apple to reach out, so together they could make it better for everyone. Truly refreshin…

> Truly refreshing and reminded me of the attitude I saw more often in the early days of the web. Kudos to the author for that. Unfortunately, he has extended his well-meaning olive branch to companies built on the philosophy of Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists.

> Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists.

Serious question: do you believe that letter to be immoral or indicative of immoral behavior? Or something specific?

Edit: format; quote.

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