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Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by badprose »

> Firstly, I would have used an https url instead of http and secondly, I would have made it look for images with a width & height greater than 200px rather than equal to 200px.

I didn't know Shortcuts were powerful enough to pull images of specific sizes from webpages. That's really useful.

Creating a Shortcut to scrape these guitar tabs doesn't seem that different from writing a Bash script that does the same thing.

The main issue is that most users would grab the Shortcut from the gallery, find the guitar tabs they need, and never know where it came from.

Maybe Apple could automatically provide attribution in their Gallery? Like "This shortcut is powered by Google.com and JGuitar.com".

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by threeseed »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #109
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it. If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

You're right, the big companies are the biggest offenders against this intended use of the web. And that's bad. And they aren't accessing others intellectual property with this. They are building custom tools to display other's intellectual property. Very different.

So Google, Microsoft and Apple who fund and build the web browser you are currently using are against the intended use of the web.

I wish more companies would "offend" then.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#133

Post by threeseed »

SyneRyder wrote: post #87
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

> When you publish something on the internet, people can link to it. That's how the internet works. I think one issue is that Apple themselves prohibit it. From their App Store Review Guidelines, section 5.2.2 [1]: "5.2.2 Third Party Sites/Services: If your app uses, accesses, monetizes access to, or displays content from a third party service, ensure that you are specifically permitted to do so under the service’s t…

Being a little disingenuous there. Scraping != Linking.

Scraping involves stealing and reusing content from another party. Linking does not.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#134

Post by dragonwriter »

JepZ wrote: post #101
fredley wrote: post #70

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This isn't linking, this is hotlinking : taking unattributed images. If you had some nice images on your site that I'd put on mine, presenting them as my own, while still using your bandwidth to serve them to my users how would you feel about it? What about if I was the richest company on the planet already?

So all this is about is bandwidth and attribution?!? I mean aren't they sending their users to your web page? Other people would be glad if they would just have to pay the hosting costs for an image to get people on their page.

> mean aren't they sending their users to your web page?

No, in this specific case, they are sending images from the page to users, bypassing the actual page.

For a site where the user value was in the image and the monetization was elsewhere on the page, it's capturing the value of your work and bypassing the mechanism which pays you for that work. It may be legal, but even if so it is not sustainable.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#135

Post by briandear »

So just a few days ago a good number of HNers were lamenting copyrights. One commenter even going so far as to say that he never respects copyright. Other suggesting that copyright owners should lose copyright when they’ve made enough money. Just ridiculous nonsense.

And today, because the “bad guy” was Apple, suddenly everyone cares about copyright.

A forum where people have no problem discussing torrents which are used frequently to violate copyrights — and now they are outraged about Apple using chord finder in a gallery example for Shortcuts? And the owner of the content is actually happy about it!

Hypocrites.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#136

Post by JepZ »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #121
JepZ wrote: post #101

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So all this is about is bandwidth and attribution?!? I mean aren't they sending their users to your web page? Other people would be glad if they would just have to pay the hosting costs for an image to get people on their page.

Sounds to me like theft.

You mean like stealing someone's business cards in order to promote his company?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

slivym wrote: post #58
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

isn't this the impetus for the UK's "link tax" proposal?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by briandear »

piyush_soni wrote: post #69
cwingrav wrote: post #48

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Again, this. When you publish work on the Internet, others can link and use it, no problem. For best results, have clear attribution (which they clearly show the link). I think people are too quick to anger here. This guy was already providing all this information and content. Looking at the site, I don't see advertising, so it's not like Apple is going around that. This guy is happy and with a quick addition of a JG…

Oh no. Whenever a corporate is trying to make 'bulk requests' to your website, primarily so that the users don't have to visit your site, it totally warrants for at least a permission (separate licensing, to be more fair). It's called freeloading otherwise.

Is a “corporation” making bulk requests? Or are users of shortcuts making requests?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#139

Post by forthefuture »

greeneggs wrote: post #120
forthefuture wrote: post #96

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Much of the time I don't see a link to Wikipedia. If I Google "Malta" there is a paragraph on the right and no link to Wikipedia. This also happens in Google Maps, when you click on a city and they have the blurb, much of the time there is no link, so you have to leave the page to Wikipedia the name of the city. Actually having just tried a few different queries, it seems to be inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd s…

Those Maps blurbs, like for Malta, do not come from Wikipedia.

But they all used to, which means functionally the only difference is now there isn't a link so I have to make an additional request, in a new tab, directly to Wikipedia for more information (Demographics, Economics, Government, etc).

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#140

Post by briandear »

laumars wrote: post #59
gonmf wrote: post #53

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In this case the author is happy, but the point stands that he wasn't asked. And most people would be angry at receiving no attribution or warning.

Not to mention the huge spike in hosting costs due to the upsurge of new visitors.

Any data to suggest a “huge spike in hosting costs?”
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