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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Fjolsvith »

JepZ wrote: post #101
fredley wrote: post #70

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This isn't linking, this is hotlinking : taking unattributed images. If you had some nice images on your site that I'd put on mine, presenting them as my own, while still using your bandwidth to serve them to my users how would you feel about it? What about if I was the richest company on the planet already?

So all this is about is bandwidth and attribution?!? I mean aren't they sending their users to your web page? Other people would be glad if they would just have to pay the hosting costs for an image to get people on their page.

Sounds to me like theft.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Fjolsvith »

christoph wrote: post #115
adriand wrote: post #47

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Crazy thought, but, what if the primary motivation of the creator of JGuitar has nothing to do with his website, his reputation, etc.? For example, what if his primary motivation is to do something useful for others? What if his primary motivation is just to improve the enjoyment of people who like playing guitar? I agree that Apple should have handled this differently. At the same time, I think we should honour this…

Firstly, I do understand why people think this is Apple being a bit scummy, I really do. However, I do want to say exactly what you have. When I reached the bottom of the article I was expecting to see a rant/moan about how hard done by he was by "big evil corporation" and wanted some sort of compensation. I was stunned he invited Apple to reach out, so together they could make it better for everyone. Truly refreshin…

Yes. Everyone should donate their resources and work to megacorps to make the world better.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by emodendroket »

slivym wrote: post #58
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

Google scrapes a lot more content than that. They're practically doing the Cpedia thing, except coherent.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by yebyen »

JW_00000 wrote: post #94
planb wrote: post #66

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Again, this is not Apple using his work in their own software. This is Apple providing the downloadable source code (because a workflow inside Shortcuts is exactly that) to a program that accesses an image URL from his site. Most people complaining about those "evil large corps" probably don't want this to be illegal (neither for Apple nor for anyone else)!

But the "downloadable source code" is written by Apple, so that workflow _is_ software by Apple that takes an image from his website and displays it without attribution.

Well, not really:

> When I clicked "show actions" it revealed the "actions" that make up the shortcut and I could finally see the JGuitar.com link in the URL section.

I mean, that's not exactly a proper attribution notice, I'll give you that... but it's not just straight hot-linking without any visible attribution at all.

(edit2: I mean, they are sending thousands of visitors to the OP's image service, it is hot-linking, which is legal but very improper without notice; you'd think these were some teenage hackers that never heard of "netiquette" before – it would have been pretty stand-up of them to give him a heads-up so he could be sure he had some proper CDNs set up in front of them, rather than sending his bandwidth bills through the ceiling with no notice... that's not really cool, and it puts them at risk too.

If I was the author and I wasn't happy about this, my next step would be to update my website and then replace all of the hot-linked image URLs with something like a big FU to Apple, and it would take Apple some time to react to that and get the egg off their faces after their customers started calling to ask why the Shortcuts app is giving them the middle-finger. It would also ensure that they don't do this again, at least not with JGuitar.com – and I don't think the author wants that.)

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by emodendroket »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #108
whatshisface wrote: post #100

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Wikipedia should be allowed to ask for donations inside of the little Google snippets. Doesn't that sound fair?

Wikipedia is released under creative commons. That is literally the worst example you could have picked.

If you search for questions like "how long should I bake a frozen chicken thigh?" you'll get chunks of text from Web pages which are not CC-licensed.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by blktiger »

Micoloth wrote: post #107
forthefuture wrote: post #96

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Much of the time I don't see a link to Wikipedia. If I Google "Malta" there is a paragraph on the right and no link to Wikipedia. This also happens in Google Maps, when you click on a city and they have the blurb, much of the time there is no link, so you have to leave the page to Wikipedia the name of the city. Actually having just tried a few different queries, it seems to be inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd s…

I don't know for geography, but for other things e.g. movies, the short plot description they put out now is Not from wikipedia. Hence no link. I've wondered what the source is for a while now, but if you go on the wikipedia page, that sentence is not from there

I've assumed since there is no link that the content is something that Google has been adding.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by heinrichhartman »

This is the first time I understand the point of the new EU copyright legislation or the "Leistungsschutzrecht" in Germany.

- It's NOT OK to integrate s/o else's content into a website. - It's OK to link to it.

As a content creator, how are you going to profit from such an integration?

EITHER license the content for integration OR only link to the original sources.

Not saying that the laws were good or that I understand them well, but AFAIK they are aiming in this direction.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by cyborgx7 »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #118
cyborgx7 wrote: post #83

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The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

And the content author doesn't have any copyright say over his content?

Don't confuse redistribution and how you display something.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by threeseed »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #99
cyborgx7 wrote: post #83

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The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it. If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

I'm confused. Does Apple prevent you from linking to their website ?

Because that's the point here. That the web was built to allow anyone to link to anyone without asking permission.

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