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Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by JepZ »

fredley wrote: post #70
JepZ wrote: post #56

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I don't get it either... It's like calling a lawyer because Google links to your page.

This isn't linking, this is hotlinking : taking unattributed images. If you had some nice images on your site that I'd put on mine, presenting them as my own, while still using your bandwidth to serve them to my users how would you feel about it? What about if I was the richest company on the planet already?

So all this is about is bandwidth and attribution?!? I mean aren't they sending their users to your web page? Other people would be glad if they would just have to pay the hosting costs for an image to get people on their page.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Ws32ok »

This sets a bad precedent. I’m not convinced this is good for anyone regardless of how innocuous it seems.

Apple wouldn’t tolerate this if it was done to them. It would be like Disney complaining about copyright infringement while infringing someone else’s copyright...

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

nevi-me wrote: post #73
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

I recently found out that a contractor that won a tender with a government used my website without my consent. They were given my details and asked to reach out to me. They didn't, and instead linked to my website without any attribution. Should I be happy that the government is gaining a benefit from my work, something with commercial value, while I'm not benefiting? If my website was explicitly GNU or licensed unde…

If you put a website online you're explicitly giving the right to link to it. If the government are not allowing use of their IPR then I think you have an argument, unless they're trying to stop linking to their stuff then I don't see the problem.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Ws32ok »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #46
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

Is it realistic, as a private person, to take a company like Apple to court?

Yes. Depending on how you approach it. Get legal advice. Various courts operating at local level can do surprising things. Like impose small fines or settlements, as well as pass judgements if the company doesn’t turn up.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by patrickg_zill »

nevi-me wrote: post #73
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

I recently found out that a contractor that won a tender with a government used my website without my consent. They were given my details and asked to reach out to me. They didn't, and instead linked to my website without any attribution. Should I be happy that the government is gaining a benefit from my work, something with commercial value, while I'm not benefiting? If my website was explicitly GNU or licensed unde…

It's very likely that it is a violation of one or another contracting rule. If you wanted to, you could get in touch with the government agency's contract management and complain.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

kowdermeister wrote: post #74
torarnv wrote: post #55

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Did he put up a public API? From the post it looks like the shortcut is constructing a search result url, and then scraping the photo out of that page.

Every URL is kind of an API. Some returns HTML, some JSON. If I write a custom browser that only loads images from web pages then I'm abusing the internet?

You're not abusing the web IMO, however, if you sell that browser there's a good case for contributory copyright infringement as you'd be commercial aiding others in making derivative works from the website owners content.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#107

Post by Micoloth »

forthefuture wrote: post #96
cromwellian wrote: post #77

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Google does reference the Wikipedia source, in fact the right hand box is the #1 way I end up on Wikipedia, I see a a summary, and click the Wikipedia link to read the full article. Wikipedia is the worse example you could have picked, because forking their content is encouraged.

Much of the time I don't see a link to Wikipedia. If I Google "Malta" there is a paragraph on the right and no link to Wikipedia. This also happens in Google Maps, when you click on a city and they have the blurb, much of the time there is no link, so you have to leave the page to Wikipedia the name of the city. Actually having just tried a few different queries, it seems to be inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd s…

I don't know for geography, but for other things e.g. movies, the short plot description they put out now is Not from wikipedia. Hence no link. I've wondered what the source is for a while now, but if you go on the wikipedia page, that sentence is not from there

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by cyborgx7 »

whatshisface wrote: post #100
cyborgx7 wrote: post #83

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The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

Wikipedia should be allowed to ask for donations inside of the little Google snippets. Doesn't that sound fair?

Wikipedia is released under creative commons. That is literally the worst example you could have picked.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by cyborgx7 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #99
cyborgx7 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it. If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

You're right, the big companies are the biggest offenders against this intended use of the web. And that's bad.

And they aren't accessing others intellectual property with this. They are building custom tools to display other's intellectual property. Very different.

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