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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

slivym wrote: post #58
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

I expect wikipedia to survive just fine. Wikipedia is explicitly made for that.

That said, google does recognize that a healthy web (and therefore google) benefits a lot from wikipedia and other wikimedia projects. They often donate to the wikimedia foundation, and sometimes do collaborations as well.

+ source: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google#Donations

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by piva00 »

piyush_soni wrote: post #65
zorked wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to actually go there Did they start running ads or something?

They've been requesting for donations on their website , the main source of their income.

It doesn't mean that everyone that visits Wikipedia is going to donate.

It means that they save a TON of bandwidth from people that would access Wikipedia for a specific information and bounce, it doesn't alienate the important part of Wikipedia's maintenance: editors and collaborators.

So all-in-all the lost revenue from donations is more than covered by the savings in bandwidth.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dwighttk »

rrobukef wrote: post #12
GrumpyNl wrote: post #9

I dont get it, he should be extremely happy by what they did. Free advertising, free traffic, its like getting a nr 1 result Google. All i read here is, get a lawyer. He should be celebrating.

The only reference to his site is hidden behind 3 screens in a URL. All ads are stripped, his brand is stripped. I don't think he must celebrate (though he seems happy).

>All ads are stripped...

What ads?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by JW_00000 »

planb wrote: post #66
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

Again, this is not Apple using his work in their own software. This is Apple providing the downloadable source code (because a workflow inside Shortcuts is exactly that) to a program that accesses an image URL from his site. Most people complaining about those "evil large corps" probably don't want this to be illegal (neither for Apple nor for anyone else)!

But the "downloadable source code" is written by Apple, so that workflow _is_ software by Apple that takes an image from his website and displays it without attribution.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by ctvo »

What's stopping the website owner from returning any image he wants in this case. Advertising, political messages, pornography?

Doing things like this without the consent of the website owner feels very dangerous. It looks bad on Apple they haven't thought this through and are a disgruntle owner away from a major incident.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by forthefuture »

cromwellian wrote: post #77
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

Google does reference the Wikipedia source, in fact the right hand box is the #1 way I end up on Wikipedia, I see a a summary, and click the Wikipedia link to read the full article. Wikipedia is the worse example you could have picked, because forking their content is encouraged.

Much of the time I don't see a link to Wikipedia.

If I Google "Malta" there is a paragraph on the right and no link to Wikipedia. This also happens in Google Maps, when you click on a city and they have the blurb, much of the time there is no link, so you have to leave the page to Wikipedia the name of the city.

Actually having just tried a few different queries, it seems to be inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd show the link sometimes and not every time, but definitely Malta doesn't show a link for me.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by fredley »

executesorder66 wrote: post #45
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

> I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images If it was my site, I would have just replaced each image with goatse, if the user agent string was "Shortcuts/700 CFNetwork/974.2.1 Darwin/18.0.0"

Acting childishly will just make everyone's day worse: Apple's, customers (and children) who see the image's, and ultimately yours too, when all that shit lands on your doorstep.

Asserting your rights while finding a way forward that benefits both you and Apple is going to play out much better in the long run. Apple is almost certainly just negligent in this case (it's a data stream in an app they bought), not maliciously stealing content.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #83
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it.

If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by whatshisface »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #83
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

Wikipedia should be allowed to ask for donations inside of the little Google snippets. Doesn't that sound fair?
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