Apple is lucky they didn’t do this to Jamie Zawinski
(Every link to https://www.jwz.org/blog/ from HN shows a NSFWish image, based on referer header)
Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#72Given that this is a gallery of possible shortcut ideas, what’s the big fuss about? How is different from suddenly making the front page of HN/Reddit or Google?
The suggestion to hotlink directly to an image is slightly problematic, but a copyright watermark makes sense whether it was Apple doing this or not.
The shortcuts app lets you connect to any site on the internet - if a rock star made this Shortcut and chose to tweet it the result would be exactly the same - why would it matter who made the sample and whether it was bundled or not? Apple isn’t claiming ownership, nor have they asked the owner not to add a notice.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#73> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…
I recently found out that a contractor that won a tender with a government used my website without my consent. They were given my details and asked to reach out to me. They didn't, and instead linked to my website without any attribution.
Should I be happy that the government is gaining a benefit from my work, something with commercial value, while I'm not benefiting?
If my website was explicitly GNU or licensed under something that gives another person permission, then sure. Otherwise it's unfair for someone to make something out of my labour without reaching out to me and asking for at least permission.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why call a lawyer? The OP put something on the internet with the intention for others to use it. Apple used it. Is there anything on his site (terms,"rules") that indicate what Apple is doing is considered non-acceptable use? Shouldn't we be happy the world can still work like this - bottom-up implementation with presumably good intentions - instead of having to talk to lawyers before every tiny step we take? We're t…
Did he put up a public API? From the post it looks like the shortcut is constructing a search result url, and then scraping the photo out of that page.
Every URL is kind of an API. Some returns HTML, some JSON.
If I write a custom browser that only loads images from web pages then I'm abusing the internet?
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why call a lawyer? The OP put something on the internet with the intention for others to use it. Apple used it. Is there anything on his site (terms,"rules") that indicate what Apple is doing is considered non-acceptable use? Shouldn't we be happy the world can still work like this - bottom-up implementation with presumably good intentions - instead of having to talk to lawyers before every tiny step we take? We're t…
Did he put up a public API? From the post it looks like the shortcut is constructing a search result url, and then scraping the photo out of that page.
Not an 'API' in its most commonly used definition - but a publicly accessible interface to his chord search algorithm nevertheless. Wouldn't you agree?
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#76> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…
Again, this. When you publish work on the Internet, others can link and use it, no problem. For best results, have clear attribution (which they clearly show the link). I think people are too quick to anger here. This guy was already providing all this information and content. Looking at the site, I don't see advertising, so it's not like Apple is going around that. This guy is happy and with a quick addition of a JG…
Hm – Linking is one thing, displaying another one.
Notably, we had (I don't know about all countries) rulings regarding displaying 3rd party content in frames, and then there's the EU copyright legislation, currently discussed. It's not the author's obligation to embed copyright and source information in any resource. This is not how it works.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#77> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…
The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…
Google does reference the Wikipedia source, in fact the right hand box is the #1 way I end up on Wikipedia, I see a a summary, and click the Wikipedia link to read the full article.
Wikipedia is the worse example you could have picked, because forking their content is encouraged.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#78> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…
The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…
The internet is about freebooting until you hit a paywall.
Wikipedia is a very bad example, they literally put a free to copy license on their content.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to actually go there Did they start running ads or something?
They've been requesting for donations on their website , the main source of their income.
That doesn't mean you can't use Wikipedia's content in other ways, nor does it make it immoral to do so.
I found this page which gives an overview of what's ok to do with their content. Mirroring is literally the first example they give.
Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple
#80It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.
Apple essentially repackaged this guy's work, used it to enhance their own product in a way that all but eliminates any need to ever visit his website or even know it exists. Excellent.
This simple isn’t true - Apple made an app that lets you call arbitrary links and display the result, and in a gallery added one example for guitar chords linking to this site. The gallery also has examples for third party integrations for news, weather, music, bookmarking and it’s not unreasonable to expect more for lyrics, laundry, taxis, groceries or pretty much anything else.
This site was in the examples for guitar chords, that’s about it. Maybe they should have asked him, but there’s zero obligation to do so. If you have a blog someone links to it, you don’t mind, do you?
The point of contention here is that the template linked straight into the chord image generator - which isn’t kosher. If I build a chart generator for my site, I wouldn’t want anyone linking straight into it - Apple isn’t using it on their site and claiming it’s theirs, but they’re pointing out to all their customers that they could just hit my generator directly for visualising charts. That’s weird. Not illegal, but weird.