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Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by archi42 »

fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

I bet it's a nice feeling to get this kind of "your work is cool". But this would probably violate copyrights law (unless he uses e.g. a attribution-less CC variant). And Apple is but above that.

I would also want to make sure Apple doesn't accidentally DDoS my service - I mean, if this gets broader use and if the service does not scale well this could be an issue. Or if it scales too well via AWS (doesn't seem the case here), there could be a huge surprise bill coming in.

If I'd use some non-public Apple API without asking them for written permission (or strip content from their site) I bet all hell would break loose.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by aaaaaaaaaab »

jacobush wrote: post #16

I am baffled that Apple would dare do such a thing, not only from an attribution stand point only, but also for offering a service to their customers, they can't rely on being there, or its quality, or anything really. It's really, really weird.

As others have pointed out (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18038182) the Shortcuts app is a slightly rebranded version of the Workflow app that was acquihired by Apple early 2017. Looks like they launched Shortcuts without vetting their content.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

geoah wrote: post #6
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

I really don't get why people suggest lawyers and c&d letters as step 1. Yes apple could have done this better and they should -- but why not just have a chat with apple before you go nuclear?

A person who represents themselves has a fool for a lawyer.

A lawyer is a disinterested third party, who ought to know how to initiate negotiations without any emotional attachment.

I know for myself I’d at least want to have a legal expert review anything I indended on sending, as otherwise I may inadvertently shoot myself in the foot.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by hiergiltdiestfu »

geoah wrote: post #6
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

I really don't get why people suggest lawyers and c&d letters as step 1. Yes apple could have done this better and they should -- but why not just have a chat with apple before you go nuclear?

"For exposure......."

Well they are placing an increased load onto the side and get nice resources for free, not even doing the cheapest form of flattery: attribution. That's happening a million times on the internet each day, where pictures and other copyrighted materials are redistributed without consent or attribution, and it's ridiculous that the currently most valuable company on earth feels the need to be a cheapskate about that, too.

People lost their mind when Google did something like that in their image search, and unlike Apple, they provided attribution and a prime backlink. If Apple likes the service so much, they could just have bought it entirely and it wouldn't even show up in their balance, so proper attribution, and maybe ask the provider if he/she can handle the additional load, or even provide some support to handle the load, would just have been fair, don't you think?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by pelario »

aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #22
jacobush wrote: post #16

I am baffled that Apple would dare do such a thing, not only from an attribution stand point only, but also for offering a service to their customers, they can't rely on being there, or its quality, or anything really. It's really, really weird.

As others have pointed out ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18038182 ) the Shortcuts app is a slightly rebranded version of the Workflow app that was acquihired by Apple early 2017. Looks like they launched Shortcuts without vetting their content.

In which sense does this fact make it better ? Not only weird, but to me this feels a careless attitude...

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Sujan »

GrumpyNl wrote: post #9

I dont get it, he should be extremely happy by what they did. Free advertising, free traffic, its like getting a nr 1 result Google. All i read here is, get a lawyer. He should be celebrating.

He actually seems happy - the decriers just live here in the comments. As usual...

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

geoah wrote: post #6
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

I really don't get why people suggest lawyers and c&d letters as step 1. Yes apple could have done this better and they should -- but why not just have a chat with apple before you go nuclear?

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by huhtenberg »

fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

Apple essentially repackaged this guy's work, used it to enhance their own product in a way that all but eliminates any need to ever visit his website or even know it exists.

Excellent.

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