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Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
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Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#122It's really too bad that XML+XSLT didn't take off as the "replacement" for HTML. Before you recoil in horror hear me out... Web pages are a giant mess of content and presentation, and CSS doesn't really help much. XML is at least a way of describing data in a meaningful way. , , , etc. XSLT provided a way of formatting XML in the browser . Sure the internet would still be full of inconsistent content structures, but…
The thing that makes this hard is the security model in browsers. You either keep the XSLT scripts in the same directory as the XML or need to turn off the check for cross-site scripts.
Ok, how do you get XSLT that isn't in the same directory as XML to work in a browser ?
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#123I have some insight here because I did a postdoc working on anatomy ontologies in the UK. A big part of the problem with the semantic web is that lots of people in European academia use it as a collection of buzzwords for making grant proposals sexier, without understanding or caring what it actually means. Instead of saying, "Give us money to build a webpage", they say, "Give us money to expose metadata annotations…
Thanks for sharing. I am worried that exactly the same will happen to AI in Europe :-/ https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2165004/euro...
Very different beast. The semantic web was an effort to improve the commons. AI/ML benefits are captured by their owners.
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#124It's really too bad that XML+XSLT didn't take off as the "replacement" for HTML. Before you recoil in horror hear me out... Web pages are a giant mess of content and presentation, and CSS doesn't really help much. XML is at least a way of describing data in a meaningful way. , , , etc. XSLT provided a way of formatting XML in the browser . Sure the internet would still be full of inconsistent content structures, but…
The two problems here are that XML/XSLT are horrible to work with (to the extent that you want to achieve what they were supposed to, you do it with the modern "single page app" style where you write javascript that retrieves data from an API and renders it into a UI) and that no-one actually wants to separate the content from the presentation anyway.
> no-one actually wants to separate the content from the presentation anyway.
Except of course the developers who are using react & friends because it allows them to separate content(data) from presentation(view).
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#125What happened to the semantic web? Well... it happened. 1) We got schema data for Job Postings that companies like Google reads to build a job search engine. 2) We got schema for recipes. https://schema.org/Recipe 3) We got the Open Graph schema for showing headlines/preview images in social networks. http://ogp.me/ 4) We got schema for reviews: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/review 5) We got sc…
That is literally one of the points of the article.
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's why HTML failed as descriptive language I think HTML and the web failed in general. Modern HTML is really nothing more than div tags everywhere, with a handful of span tags. We went from abusing tables to abusing the entire document. We, in effect, eliminated all semantic meaning from a document by making everything generic tag soup. The DOM + JS has largely supplanted HTML as the source of a web page. Espec…
I'm working on a project with a React frontend. I think I never tried it on my phone. It probably works but the site is really meant for the desktop and I don't know if it makes sense on a small display. However... I'm writing this on my phone so HN is part of the mobile web and it works well. I read the post on twobithistory.org on my phone and that also works well. I doubt that they have an app and even if they did…
> 57m used by phone calls
You are an unusual smartphone user. For most people, it is 0m.
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is really fascinating. It seems there's an interfacing problem at a level, with a sort of depth-expectation on one end of the problem (real-world / technology application), and a more exploratory breadth-expectation on the other (pure academia / science). It'd be cool to develop some standards to create a sort of bridge between the two. On the breadth end there may be a need for a sort of "contract of depth comm…
Somewhat related, I suggested how the Semantic Web (aka "Linked Data") and the more real-lifeish Data Science field could be merged, at a Linked Data event in Sweden earlier this year: TLDR; What semweb / linked data lacks the most, is a practical logic / reasoning layer, so that facts can more easily be inferred form existing plain data. I further suggest this is already available in a rock-solid proven technology;…
Could you use something like Google Inference API to generate inferred form from existing plan data?
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#128I am surprised that the author did not mention the semantic web we did get. It's in his source, after all. If you look at the header of the page, you'll see the lines below. Sure they are not the utopian version of the semantic web we were promised. Instead, it's even better: it's the pragmatic semantic web we need:
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#129I am surprised that the author did not mention the semantic web we did get. It's in his source, after all. If you look at the header of the page, you'll see the lines below. Sure they are not the utopian version of the semantic web we were promised. Instead, it's even better: it's the pragmatic semantic web we need: " />
The author specifically mentioned opengraph, or are you referencing something else?
Re: Whatever Happened to the Semantic Web?
#130The Semantic Web would never have worked IMO. All you have to do is take a look at Soundcloud's tags. People will tag their songs with whatever tags they think will help their music get hits.