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China’s all-seeing surveillance network

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Post by adam-a »

vthallam wrote: post #64
adam-a wrote: post #57

It's an interesting article but it is also worth remembering that western society is not all that far away from this vision. Credit scores are widely used, there are apps for them, they can prevent you from getting housing or loans. A criminal record likewise affects your employment prospects, and many other areas of your life. CCTV may be widespread in China but the USA and UK are still way out in front[0]. Lastly,…

stop this "what about the western world". I see this pattern every time there's a critical article about China. When there's an article about the west's censorship, we would be happy to talk about it, but for now, let's focus on the ridiculous and crazy to be put it mildly things going on in China.

I don't like the sound of this change in China, I agree with you on that. I think this article does veer into xenophobia a bit though and it's good to offer a counter point to that.

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Post by adam-a »

pas wrote: post #78
qubax wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? We are not chinese. We don't live in china. I'm more worried about censorship in the US and especially europe since europeans seem so intent on bringing their censorship to the US and the entire world. At least the chinese censorship affects their country mostly. > I see this pattern every time there's a critical article about China. Because we get the same story about china multiple times in a day. Just from "a…

China is already exporting its dictatorship (influence = power), look at their One Belt One Road project, and the predatory loans to African states. And don't forget the clashes and island building on the South China Sea.

It remains to be seen whether the OBOR loans are predatory or not. Most of the projects are still underway at this point.

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Post by ffwacom »

lightbyte wrote: post #80
ffwacom wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiny fiefdom. Think of the insane size of what we call society even 100 years ago, money is what makes us cooperate.

I wouldn't call the Inca Empire a "tiny fiefdom", at its height they had 10 million citizens and covered 2 million km2

doubt they had the absolute control on law that a modern state has, empire in the loosest/historical sense

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Post by virtuabhi »

yurie_breschnef wrote: post #4

I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…

"Ghandi" -> Gandhi

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Post by woodandsteel »

qubax wrote: post #72
vthallam wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

stop this "what about the western world". I see this pattern every time there's a critical article about China. When there's an article about the west's censorship, we would be happy to talk about it, but for now, let's focus on the ridiculous and crazy to be put it mildly things going on in China.

Why? We are not chinese. We don't live in china. I'm more worried about censorship in the US and especially europe since europeans seem so intent on bringing their censorship to the US and the entire world. At least the chinese censorship affects their country mostly. > I see this pattern every time there's a critical article about China. Because we get the same story about china multiple times in a day. Just from "a…

>Why? We are not chinese. We don't live in china. I'm more worried about censorship in the US and especially europe since europeans seem so intent on bringing their censorship to the US and the entire world. At least the chinese censorship affects their country mostly.

I strongly disagree. As a human being, you should be concerned with the well-being of humans everywhere in the world, not just your own country.

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