So much for chinese dominance as a superpower, they are really shooting themselves in the foot with even trying this.
Makes no difference at all.
China’s all-seeing surveillance network
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#22I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…
I'm pretty sure that's half of the point, stop any radicals from forming large followings.
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#23I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…
Yes but saying "screw the government" on social media today, doesn't really matter if it's going to be applauded in the future, it's still going to be aimed at the government, which is the whole point of the system.
Could you elaborate?
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#24Ironically Dandan is probably flagged now for agreeing to be part of this article ...
I'd imagine given her husband is a Chinese civil servant, this is either with approval or she has been asked to do it.
There's no way a marketing consultant and a civil servant don't understand the potential ramifications of being part of the article!
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#25Better title - Social credit: China's digital dictatorship Pretty horrifying story, sounds like Black Mirror.
Yeah, the title is awful - I was happier with the article then I thought I'd be, as it did go in to some of the negative points. To point to any atomic automatic judgment of ones citizens based on their beliefs as a good thing is a bit of a weird view, however. The examples they give are all terrifying. It's also not great that the lady they report as pro social credit is only revealed later on in the piece as being…
Just for reference the original title was 'Leave no dark corner'
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#26Stuff like this will slowly stop further evolution of society and lock down the status quo. Right now we still have ways to change society peacefully but in a surveillance state either nothing changes or change has to come with force.
I think societies with massive surveillance will stagnate until they collapse.
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#27Obviously the camera system can track humans walking around, but does it actually identify specific individuals?
What does that number in the box with the chinese text mean?
Are they able to use facial recognition _everywhere_ and thus record where everyone is or, more importantly, was?
I am skeptical that this can pulled off with current technology?
Can it?
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#28I think the concept of social credit has a lot of merits. But the risk for overreach is substantial unfortunately. I'd love to get rid of people who are unable to ride a train like a social human from the trains and lock people out of cinemas who can't behave as one should expect.
And I’d love to give people who have similar views to you (on this matter) a -1 score for life. Who’s right?
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#29I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…
> What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions?
Their scores would be low. That's the whole point of these systems. Surveillance and these metrics were never about making the world a better place, they're about identifying threats to the status quo so that they can be neutralized before they become impactful. A government's definition of 'terrorist' or 'threat' is not some shady guy that wants to blow up a train station, it's literally anyone who is a credible threat to how the current system runs, anyone who could conceivably change things in a manner not approved by those currently in power. You talk about Martin Luther King, then surely you're aware to what extents the government of the time went to try to shut him down.
All the major governments have invested billions of dollars into studying how uprisings and upsets happen, how to predict them, and how to curb them. The only figures that will now rise to public prominence are those that are vetted by the existing power structure.
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#30Obviously the camera system can track humans walking around, but does it actually identify specific individuals? What does that number in the box with the chinese text mean? Are they able to use facial recognition _everywhere_ and thus record where everyone is or, more importantly, was? I am skeptical that this can pulled off with current technology? Can it?
You could fuse the facial recognition data to phone radio base station tracking, bluetooth beacons and such to get multiple points of reference for verification. And tracking between workplaces, apartment buildings and transport turnstiles where you scan your personal ID.