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Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

#1
Hi,

few weeks ago one of the partners of one of europe's largest VCs told me that he couldn't concentrate at my pitch because i sounded to much like http://vimeo.com/7595897

This kinda kept sticky in my mind. ;)

As i am moving now with my company[1] to London i would like to use this opportunity to improve my english, my accent and my grammar/spelling.

As a typical non-native i have regular problems with spelling e.g. with similar sounding words. I do have this problem especially in hectic faces.

Additionally I have trouble with incorrectly translated german expressions. Some of them are really below all pigs.

How would you suggest to level up english in a time efficient way?

Are there online services/startups you would suggest? Do you have other experiences here? (e.g. writing blog articles?) How did you improve you (once mediocre) english?

ps: i left by intention more than 4 mistakes in this post just to prove my point.

[1]: My Company - http://www.Garmz.com - Feedback Thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1788016

Re: Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

#3
I haven't used it myself but Lang-8 sounds useful:

http://lang-8.com/

Example:

http://lang-8.com/184023/journals/661147/English-Class-No3

PS: I just checked an entry written in Portuguese (my native language) and there were lots of incorrect corrections, so beware.

Re: Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

#4
The good news is that there are very few native speakers in London :).

I'm still nowhere, but three things helped me a lot at the very beginning:

1. BBC iPlayer http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer - it may not help a lot, but is good fun :).

2. I put my CV online - the very next minute recruiters started calling. They're 99% completely useless (even more if you're not looking for a job, haha), but you can have the same conversation over and over again :).

3. Chatting in the pub. The circumstances are the absolute worst, so if you manage to get across anything in the pub, you will be much better off under better conditions.

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post #4

The good news is that there are very few native speakers in London :). I'm still nowhere, but three things helped me a lot at the very beginning: 1. BBC iPlayer http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer - it may not help a lot, but is good fun :). 2. I put my CV online - the very next minute recruiters started calling. They're 99% completely useless (even more if you're not looking for a job, haha), but you can have the same conversa…

thanks a lot for your feedback

i am not worried of spoken language

we use english in my company as default language

Re: Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

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post #2

The "easiest" thing would be to live somewhere where you speak English with native speakers on a regular basis.

as said.

i am moving to london.

and spoken language is not the problem.

its about mistakes in writing. spelling and grammar

Re: Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

#7
You'll stumble upon so many biz partners in London that will surprise you with much worse accents. Big cities demand funny accents - so we Austrians are safe… Just pay attention to the tones and stresses in conversations with Brits & try hard to notice the differences. Changing from American English to British feels a bit ridiculous if you're not used to it (overpronunciation?).

edit: btw: http://www.dict.cc shows translations of whole spoken phrases, it's hard to find something there, but in general the database of http://www.phrases.org.uk/ is ok. Probably you'll find something on http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/ but I think the level is too low.

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#8
Your fellow Seedcamp company www.wordy.com would help you on a written basis - check the feedback you receive and learn from it. Being here in London, reading english books and newspapers, and going to the movies will also help. Disclosure: I work at Seedcamp...

Re: Ask HN: time-efficient ways to improve English for non-natives?

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post #2

The "easiest" thing would be to live somewhere where you speak English with native speakers on a regular basis.

as said. i am moving to london. and spoken language is not the problem. its about mistakes in writing. spelling and grammar

> and spoken language is not the problem.

Well, the bit about sounding too 'German' in the pitch indicates it is. So that will help.

> its about mistakes in writing. spelling and grammar

Are you doing that on purpose, or simply not trying at all?

* The first word in a sentence, and proper nouns (names, mostly) are capitalized in English.

* its -> "It is" or "It's"

* "writing, spelling, and grammar." with at least one comma (the second is optional) and a full-stop (period) at the end of the sentence.

That stuff doesn't seem all that difficult to me: I know that German has some of those same rules, like starting a sentence with a capital letter.

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post #3

I haven't used it myself but Lang-8 sounds useful: http://lang-8.com/ Example: http://lang-8.com/184023/journals/661147/English-Class-No3 PS: I just checked an entry written in Portuguese (my native language) and there were lots of incorrect corrections, so beware.

The problem with theses pages is that they advocate the same errors you make in spoken language. Because even natives do them.
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