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Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Disclosing a mental illness at work sounds like the worst idea you could ever have. I think it's better not to say anything and, if you wrong someone because of your illness, maybe tell that person in private and apologise. Unfortunately doing that makes it sound like an excuse. I'm not saying I have a better solution. Some people simply aren't apt for the real world. That's sad but it's the truth.

Sometimes you have to if you need accommodations.

Or if you require acute intensive care and you're going to need to utilize short term disability.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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That really depends on what you want out of your workplace. If all you want is money to fuel the rest of your life then i think you are on point. Personally i think life is to short/demanding, one needs to find an appropriate balance between work and personal life. I would rather have the people at work be friends than foes.

Did you mean “friends”, or am I not getting the pun?

Yes i did mean friends:)

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Just as an FYI, autism is considered a disability so your employer has to make reasonable accommodations.

> Just as an FYI, autism is considered a disability so your employer has to make reasonable accommodations.

Yes, but you have to disclose it in order for the ADA to apply in this case, and as the article explains, there are risks to disclosing as well.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Hey, just want to say that I've watched my own parents handle this with my youngest brother (now 13). It's incredibly difficult and draining both physically and emotionally. I can't imagine how tough it is first hand as a parent.

Does it at least improve as they get older?

Often, the burden seems to shift from providing direct care to struggling with the financial and legal issues of institutional care. It's awful, but I've seen too many friends travel too similar paths to believe it's not common. :(

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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I have found it best to not talk about any psychological pathology with anyone that does not understand it(no one really understands but some people understand that they don't understand). You can mention the symptoms, but don't label it, as soon as you insert the word autism, schizophrenia, depression people will apply their own preconceived deeply flawed interpretations of the problem.

Disclosing anything not directly related to the work (i.e. health/future plans/dreams/difficulties/struggles) at work is a terrible idea. Every single person who thinks or advocates otherwise lives in a bubble -- betting on a correct outcome is no difficult than betting on rationality of the market. Remember, market can be irrational for longer than you can remain solvent.

> Disclosing anything not directly related to the work (i.e. health/future plans/dreams/difficulties/struggles) at work is a terrible idea. Every single person who thinks or advocates otherwise lives in a bubble -- betting on a correct outcome is no difficult than betting on rationality of the market.

Just to be clear, what you are describing is a world in which nobody could (or should) ever request or receive reasonable accommodations under the ADA.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Does it at least improve as they get older?

Not the OP, but I can answer this. It depends. Autism is a spectrum, not a single condition. I have two children with autism, and they are different. The younger one is much more self-sufficient than the older one. Has it gotten easier? With the younger one? Yes. With the older one? No. The reasons are many. Both are still in diapers at 8 and 9 (soon to be 10), though the 8-year-old is getting potty trained. We are h…

I still remember when my daughter got assessed and the psychiatrist basically said. I know you probably have hopes and dreams for your daughter. But you need to put those away and forget them. That she would never be able to talk etc. My daughter can now talk some, I think she understands more than she lets on. We're doing great with potty training fortunately what we have are severe behavioral problems and communication. (She refuses to wear clothes, hits and bites, and basically screams all the time)

It's just harder than most can possibly imagine. When I look at her I see both my hopes and dreams from when I first held her still. The worst is seeing parents and neurotypical children together. I'm both happy for them but I get so envious. As time goes on too I'm finding my extended family invites us to less and less.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Autism is not a mental illness. I am not mentally ill. I was born with a disability which causes social impairments and a host of other symptoms. Being Autistic is beyond my control, and is untreatable other than just trying my damndest to “pass” as neurotypical whereever and however I can. I find it incredibly insulting and damaging to label me as mentally ill.

The modern discussion whether it's a mental illness or not is just tiptoeing around the issue for non-medical concerns. Mental illness doesn't mean "crazy person", there's a huge number of such cases, and half the population or more is affected by one or more (20% on any given year). There's nothing insulting or damaging to call someone as mentally ill (except for types who think it means "crazy person" or some such)…

> The modern discussion whether it's a mental illness or not is just tiptoeing around the issue for non-medical concerns.

It's not; there's actually a medical difference between "mental illness" and "disability".

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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As someone with many Aspergers tendencies, I can tell you that most work, school and social environments are not great for us.

While I think it is annoying to have Aspergers and be expected to act “normally,” I can see it would have many downsides for people to claim Aspergers status and bring this into regular office environments rather than develop coping strategies.

It takes very, very little time for normal people to come to understand that I am “weird” and that I don’t provide expected responses to normal interactions.

This year, my social weirdness has resulted in situations where I have gotten into fights with my coworkers who decided to attempt to bully me after they realized that I don’t have normal social skills.

Unfortunately, the only techniques I have at my disposal are to make it very, very costly for people to bully me. I don’t have the ability to come up with proper responses to nasty comments in real time. When people say things to me I don’t like, it takes me a long time to articulate to myself what the problem is and why it made me mad and by then it is too late - That person now thinks I am an easy target and persists in their behavior.

After reading and learning more about Aspergers I realize that this trait and many others are common. It was very helpful to learn from other people with this sort of condition and have developed coping strategies. I truly recommend doing a lot of research (not on the internet, I mean real books written by qualified people) if you suspect you have Aspergers.

I tend think about something someone said or did to me for several days and even months. I seethe.

Normal people tend to have situationally appropriate responses to small provocations, I develop anxiety about them.

I manage a team of people and get paid over $330,000 / year. The idea that I still act and feel this way is insane and so immature but that’s how my brain works.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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I know in my case it's because prior to finding out about being on the spectrum and having Aspergers I just thought it was everyone else who was defective. For some people on the spectrum including me, the biggest difference was that everyone else was some kind of weirdo who knew rules without being told them. As a kid, you are told to be careful on a road and that's why you are, you are told not to have your hands o…

Isn't a major part of Aspergers the inability to see that the human mind is irrational by nature.

And sometimes the inability to see that the objective world that exists is not the same objective world that we see. Due to how the brain interprets sensory information from the objective world.

An example taken from your own text:

The reason that you are not supposed to tell a fat person that they are fat is cause by saying you are fat you are essentially pointing to that persons irrational behavior(eating to much).

The fat person does not want to think about their own overweight, it will lead to them start thinking about their own irrationality. Something that will then cause them to feel that they are a failed person, causing negative emotions.

Reality can be analyzed in many dimensions.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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I'm having difficultly explaining my child has autism and need the time off all the time. Seriously people's expectations versus handling reality are very misaligned. Everyone constantly tells me I look sleepy and I've over heard from some that maybe I drink too much. They don't understand the time it takes to drive a kid to see 3 different specialists every other week, to drive to and from ABA therapy (which doesn't…

I have a brother in-law (20yo) that's also on the spectrum (aspergers).

In an attempt to help with general anxiety that's associated with Aspergers, we introduced him to marijuana (as it has a relaxing effect), but that just mainly causes more anxiety.

However, it turns out that microdosing on psychedelics has been quite the panacea. I'd highly recommend reading the book "A Really Good Day" that goes over the safety aspects, myths and such.

In a span of 4 months, the kid is completely changed. Far more sociable. He's communicated that his anxiety is gone. He has become more thoughtful and far more self-sufficient. His ability to communicate/articulate his needs & desires, relay stories from his day are new behaviors that have presented himself since this regimen has started. In a sense, he has gone from "more autistic" to "more typical teenage/young adult boy" in a span of 4 months. He still does say that his condition is still apparent and that his ability to intuitively react to emotion/facial expressions/body language hasn't necessarily developed, but with the anxiety removed, now he can read body language cues with ease as he is not debilitated by the anxiety of the interaction and move forward in the interaction rather than recusing himself and living in his own bubble.

The reason this appears to work is because psychedelics increasing brain plasticity/neurogenesis. Even after the doses stop, the benefits will continue to remain as new neural connections have become established. A regimen can be used for say a month or two and be stopped with the benefits derived, so it's not something one necessarily needs to engage in for the rest of their life.

His immediate family doesn't know that this regimen is taking place, but everyone in the family during gatherings attributes his demeanor change to his "summer job" which "opened" him up, and are so "proud" of him and his growth. Of course, spending 12 years in a social school environment did nothing to open him up, but a 3 month summer job did the trick. chuckles

Of course there are stories of people who have taken very large tripping doses and have had catastrophic effects, so it isn't without risks, however, it appears that the risks are pretty minimal and also very manageable at microdose quantities.

So far in my microdose experiment, n=5 have had absolutely no ill effects and has been tremendous boon to mental state/cognition/clarity in general.

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