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The European Union versus the Internet

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Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by FactolSarin »

nybble41 wrote: post #118
FactolSarin wrote: post #19

I disagree with the EU about their copyright legislation, but applaud their attempts at increasing privacy. What I find odd about the conversation around EU internet legislation is the idea that "The Internet" is a single entity that has some kind of natural state, and further that natural state is for all information to be free and to be a place where anyone can say anything (or should be able to). I think this grow…

> ... and those countries have a right to implement those decisions for their people on the Internet ... No, they do not. One's natural rights do not disappear just because one happens to be living under a regime which fails to acknowledge them. When an American talks about the freedom of speech, they're talking about a right shared by every human being on this planet, not just the ones who happen to live in the USA.…

It's a matter of objective fact? Show me the experimental data that shows the American interpretation of freedom of speech is correct. Even Americans draw the line somewhere. For instance, the old "shouting fire in a theater." bit. Or, say, planning a murder.

Other people decide to draw the line different places. Sorry, but claiming the American legal interpretation is "objective fact" and, say, the German one is wrong is just crazy.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by sleavey »

scaryclam wrote: post #121
sleavey wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"By using these filters, you are allowing sites to set cookies by default, without you first being notified, and are agreeing to allow the sites you visit to set cookies." Does lack of interaction with a (blocked) cookie banner give implicit consent to be tracked?

No, since implicit consent is disallowed by the GDPR.

I'm a bit confused why the filter list's page says that then. I'm not sure why they need such a disclaimer, even if what it said was true.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by Aunche »

the_gipsy wrote: post #117
Aunche wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR does explicitly legislate against all that - dialogues should be "opt-in" That's can't be a real part of GDPR, can it? I don't see how you can fine someone for shitty website design.

They should, in theory, fine websites that do install cookies before you give consent, or refuse to give sevice that doesn’t strictly require cookies (e.g. an article).

If the cookie only stores the preference to not show the dialog box. That should be GDPR compliant.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by zwp »

Tharkun wrote: post #78
mrmekon wrote: post #18

In my network of friends, which is within the EU and comprised entirely of EU citizens and spans multiple EU tech companies from dinky startups to Giant Unicorn, GDPR has been almost universally approved. We had to implement it, and generally feel better for having done so. The Giant Unicorn employees were dismayed by how little time they were given for such a giant task, but were in support of the law. Everybody is…

I disagree with the GDPR "success story" part of your comment. So far it's backfired entirely. The goal was to provide users with more control, and (from the standpoint of such a user) to reduce relentless personal data harvesting. That hasn't happened. What's happened is more annoying "we use cookies and track you"-banners all over the internet. As a user who doesn't use cookies, these damned things won't even go aw…

> Online newspapers are the worst

Oracle. Here's July's Critical Patch Update page:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/security-advisory/cpujul20...

On my my domestic ADSL line the cookie pop-up takes almost 10s to load. It presents 67 checkboxes to select from. There is no default selection, so this requires at least 3 more clicks (at least the non-obligatory cookies are grouped). Submitting the form takes another ~4s -- it even has a progress bar. (Thankfully they aren't using TLS so it's not quite as slow as it could be).

Earlier this summer this component was broken and I just couldn't use oracle.com.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

tomp wrote: post #106
tw1010 wrote: post #16

It's super interesting to watch the reaction of the US blogosphere to EU laws. I feel like I'm learning a lot about US culture just by observing the general attitude that seems to be coalescing against things like GDPR. I used to think that I'd been pretty well indoctrinated into the US value system, despite being born in the EU, just by virtue of having most of my influences (movies, the internet) having come from t…

They're just complaining because it's EU and not US. American DMCA law is much worse than GDPR, predates it by like 2 decades, and basically the whole world is subjected to some of it (because US companies are global monopolies).

The people complaining about the GDPR have been complaining about the DMCA since before it was passed.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by r_smart »

Tomte wrote: post #98
r_smart wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all know you're going to pick the Patriot Act :)

Or maybe The Hague Invasion Act? ;-)

Never heard of this one, and didn't know anything about it. I tried reading the Wikipedia page. Now I've heard of it, but still don't know anything about it.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by makapuf »

AdamM12 wrote: post #122
craftyguy wrote: post #115

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You seem to have no problem 'freeloading' HN.

They don't run ads to generate revenue. Most content sites do.

You can definitely put ads without deep profiling. They can even be relevant. Just advertise for fishing accessories in fishing articles. Or hardware load balancers on Slashdot. Why not? Better than serving me whatever someone in my family has looked before (that is if I didn't have an adblocker for the past 10 tears)

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by MiddleEndian »

sleavey wrote: post #116
MiddleEndian wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be interested in http://prebake.eu/ to block them.

"By using these filters, you are allowing sites to set cookies by default, without you first being notified, and are agreeing to allow the sites you visit to set cookies." Does lack of interaction with a (blocked) cookie banner give implicit consent to be tracked?

The user I replied to has cookies disabled anyway, so that should not be an issue in this case.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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Post by kodablah »

ktosobcy wrote: post #33
tw1010 wrote: post #16

It's super interesting to watch the reaction of the US blogosphere to EU laws. I feel like I'm learning a lot about US culture just by observing the general attitude that seems to be coalescing against things like GDPR. I used to think that I'd been pretty well indoctrinated into the US value system, despite being born in the EU, just by virtue of having most of my influences (movies, the internet) having come from t…

My perception and view of the US and it's culture also slightly shifted after GDPR came into spotlight (same conclusions as yours). Just the other day I ended up in a discussion with a US citizen (it started completely harmless and away from culture/politics) and ended up in the same corner: "EU is bad because it limits your freedom, US is great because it gives you freedom". The problem is - the argument (my underst…

> In my view, in Europe there is a bigger pressure to value people/individuals over company/corporate interest and that's seems like the crux of the difference.

The sentence reads funny as if people/individuals don't own companies. A better way to put it would be that they value some kinds of people over other kinds of people. Or users over entrepreneurs, or something besides just the ambiguous "people".

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