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The European Union versus the Internet

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Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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So there's a lot of coverage about the EU parliament process, but where did the drive for this copyright directive come from? There seems to very little coverage on how this directive came about. Whose interests are being represented by these changes?

Corruption: lobbying and corporate money.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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post #18

In my network of friends, which is within the EU and comprised entirely of EU citizens and spans multiple EU tech companies from dinky startups to Giant Unicorn, GDPR has been almost universally approved. We had to implement it, and generally feel better for having done so. The Giant Unicorn employees were dismayed by how little time they were given for such a giant task, but were in support of the law. Everybody is…

> I don't see why everyone is in a rush to pull in mentions of GDPR to make it seem "worse". For a lot of us, it weakens the argument instead of strengthening it.

I have the opposite feeling. A lot of us rejected to GDPR on the basis that it's not the government's domain (any government) to impose its will on the internet. Even if the content of GDPR is well meaning it opened the door to further laws, such as the new copyright law.

By saying "GDPR is a good idea, but the EU has no right to police the internet" it saves us from further legislative efforts.

By saying "GDPR is a good law but the copyright law is bad" it means we have to have this debate over and over and the message to law makers is a tacit green light to keep going down this path.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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post #16

It's super interesting to watch the reaction of the US blogosphere to EU laws. I feel like I'm learning a lot about US culture just by observing the general attitude that seems to be coalescing against things like GDPR. I used to think that I'd been pretty well indoctrinated into the US value system, despite being born in the EU, just by virtue of having most of my influences (movies, the internet) having come from t…

My perception and view of the US and it's culture also slightly shifted after GDPR came into spotlight (same conclusions as yours).

Just the other day I ended up in a discussion with a US citizen (it started completely harmless and away from culture/politics) and ended up in the same corner: "EU is bad because it limits your freedom, US is great because it gives you freedom". The problem is - the argument (my understanding of the interlocutor) was about companies, and what they can do.

In my view, in Europe there is a bigger pressure to value people/individuals over company/corporate interest and that's seems like the crux of the difference.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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It seems there's a common warfront in general around what can or can't be said, and it has coalesced in the every-one tool, the Internet. Greater ease to publish, greater impulse to control one another. The test of our day seems to be around the right to speak freely, online.

I'm surprised Tor usage hasn't skyrocketed.

Many sites (including this one) shadowban accounts created via Tor. So basically, you can't use Tor for social media.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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So there's a lot of coverage about the EU parliament process, but where did the drive for this copyright directive come from? There seems to very little coverage on how this directive came about. Whose interests are being represented by these changes?

My understanding is the copyright proposals were at least partially thanks to incumbent big media in Germany, and their link tax reaction to Google news.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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post #18

In my network of friends, which is within the EU and comprised entirely of EU citizens and spans multiple EU tech companies from dinky startups to Giant Unicorn, GDPR has been almost universally approved. We had to implement it, and generally feel better for having done so. The Giant Unicorn employees were dismayed by how little time they were given for such a giant task, but were in support of the law. Everybody is…

Can you elaborate on the specifics of the copyright law?

It's all still up in the air, and the wording is vague. GDPR's wording is also vague, as EU laws are. When we read between the lines, GDPR's vagueness sounds promising (hard to over-reach, easy to understand intentions), and the Copyright Directive's vagueness sounds terrifying (easy to over-reach, hard to understand intentions).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_...

A big difference is in the boundaries. GDPR is bounded by your customer records. One customer, one collection of personal data. There's a hard upper limit: about 7 billion. Companies tend to scale with customers, so generally bigger companies will have bigger customer bases and bigger employee bases to handle protecting the records.

The Copyright Directive's bounds is user content. One customer, any number of potential infringements. A single person can run a company with 100 customers who upload 10,000 images each per year. Managing the customer base is pretty easy, managing the data storage is pretty easy, GDPR-protecting 100 people's data is pretty easy. But 1 million potential copyright infringements per year, each one of which could even be claimed by multiple rights holders. Your risk exposure grows with data, not with people. That one-man show probably can't handle tens of thousands of take-down requests, nor build an AI Machine Learning Cloud Native Copyright ID Blockchain System to automate it.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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So there's a lot of coverage about the EU parliament process, but where did the drive for this copyright directive come from? There seems to very little coverage on how this directive came about. Whose interests are being represented by these changes?

> but where did the drive for this copyright directive come from?

A similar yet more apt question might be, where did the idea that parliament can get away with such large internet regulations come from?

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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post #30
post #16

It's super interesting to watch the reaction of the US blogosphere to EU laws. I feel like I'm learning a lot about US culture just by observing the general attitude that seems to be coalescing against things like GDPR. I used to think that I'd been pretty well indoctrinated into the US value system, despite being born in the EU, just by virtue of having most of my influences (movies, the internet) having come from t…

In my mind the difference is that: * In the US: Don’t use social media if you don’t want to be tracked, it’s your choice. * In the EU: We cannot compete against big US companies so we will pass laws that are popular with entitled people to weaken them in the name of social benefits. Win-win for politicians.

I mean, the former attitude is known to be totally ineffective. The latter is possibly effective, at the cost of being (possibly?) extremely damaging.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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post #18

In my network of friends, which is within the EU and comprised entirely of EU citizens and spans multiple EU tech companies from dinky startups to Giant Unicorn, GDPR has been almost universally approved. We had to implement it, and generally feel better for having done so. The Giant Unicorn employees were dismayed by how little time they were given for such a giant task, but were in support of the law. Everybody is…

I 100% agree with this. GDPR is a shining beacon of success and it blows my mind that it came from the same clowns that made the cookie law. They covered my internet with cookie banner graffiti and now they want to mess with something as fundamental as a hyperlink.

Re: The European Union versus the Internet

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So there's a lot of coverage about the EU parliament process, but where did the drive for this copyright directive come from? There seems to very little coverage on how this directive came about. Whose interests are being represented by these changes?

Economic interests. EU governments are seeing the majority of digital revenues carted off to american coffers and want a bigger slice to remain in europe to bolster its lagging economy.
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