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Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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We wanted to create a routing app for bikes, which would take in consideration cliffs, dangerous streets and the likes. With our internal team, we’ve managed to create a killer backend that would do all the hard routing stuff without issues. It was better than Google Maps in most cases! Now, we just needed the app. We used all our money to pay a third party contractor to make the app, and they failed miserably. We ne…

I've been working recently on something semi-similar for runners - calculating elevation gain, difficulty, route generation, etc. First time around I was using Mapbox API but ran into some difficulties and have since switch to Google Maps which still isn't exactly what I'm looking for. Would be interested in learning more about your backend if you don't mind sharing - kguebert93 @ gmail.com

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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- Two main clients did not pay bills on time, causing me to run out of runway. Getting them to pay became the single most important issue, and after they finally did, I was stuck with a 2.5 month backlog, two important clients who couldn't be trusted to pay on time, and a broken spirit.

- Created a b2b app, spend too much time on making it work great, not nearly enough time/effort on marketing it. Found that the people who could understand the technical superiority were not our target market, but just people who estimate technical superiority from marketing. Couldn't and wouldn't compete on that. Then we landed a big client who paid us handsomely to lose our focus and turned us into a non-scalable consultancy business which we sold for an almost symbolic value.

- Used networking to get together a team of 5 researchers/engineers in a hot field. Found funding prospects, but only on the condition that they pay us (slightly below market average), but the equity would be in the single digits (even for me). So this blew up, and a few months later the most promising researchers got jobs at FAMG. I think most $$ potential was lost here (would have been an easy acqui-hire).

Learned:

- The cheaper the price, the cheaper the customers. I took pride in offering great customer service, but spend hours looking into issues for 15$ accounts (would have been cheaper to fire them).

- The smaller the startup, the lower you are prioritized come pay-day. Would be more aggressive in collections/SLA.

- It is not how good your product is, it is how much people are willing to spend for it (how good they perceive it to be). Non-technical people are easier convinced by a sales call, than an impressive demo.

- Learned how to deal with financial stress and to keep a good sleep/workout schedule, else my output drops way too low.

- 15% equity of 0$ is 0$, but you also can't expect the really good people to work for your startup without any potential upside or throwing them a bone. Strike while the iron is hot.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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Too early with a ML product back in '08, people were not ready to believe such a thing was possible: basically a working VFX pipeline for what are now called "deep fakes", but I targeted inserting consumers into brand advertising TV commercials and music videos. First people simply could not grasp the concept, then they did not believe it was possible, and then because I wrote it alone and had no team VCs and partner…

Given that putting a potential customers face (where from?) into a video/still with a product (I'm imagining seeing a picture of me enjoying a cool bottle of cola) is more than plausible these days, why do you think it's not appeared? Maybe consumers don't want to see themselves unsolicitly inserted into an ad? I can easily imagine a twitterstorm over "privacy" and intrusion if adverts like that started popping up. O…

You pretty much got it: you enjoying a coke, driving the new car, you and your significant trading engagement rings, you in a film trailer interacting with the film's stars... The personalization can be anything from simple ads to political messaging. The trick is getting a major brand to want to do such a project. It's a completely new idea, and that requires more than a few people sticking their necks out and taking some risk. My experience has led me to believe the advertising agencies really need strong assurances to take the risk of doing personalized advertising. Consumers are used to feature film quality VFX, meaning their eyes are moderately sophisticated when looking at digital characters. The production quality required will require investment and iteration to get the personalization production pipeline correctly generating likenesses of real people that "pass" and do not look like a cheap gimmick. To date, every potential agency and production partnership I was able to begin to piece together became a no-go due to one or the other wanting to go cheap or do porn. Neither of which really work, economically or financially.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is as big if not larger than After Effects - it's an entire VFX pipeline: servers as render nodes, as compositor nodes, and so on... All extremely high speed, to the tune of 150,000 30 second clips per minute. It is/was a globally scaled on-demand VFX pipeline. Not even the VFX industry has such pipelines.

Oh but why couldn't you make a little plugin to begin with ? And then clients who needs more can use your big pipeline. You can still adapt your pipeline for new uses -- for example Style Transfer ! Or other stuff I have some ideas

Also "little" was not possible. Being early ML, the executable was 1.8 gigs. Few would want such a "plugin".

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what happened to the app, you sold it to somebody or just let it die?

I spent hours and hours, months and months, up all night trying to fix memory problems, that I wasn't qualified to fix. It was one of the darkest times in my life. Everyone I loved wouldn't speak to me because I wouldn't give up. Then one night when I couldn't take the loneliness anymore I deleted the server, local copies and backups and went to bed.

Memory leaks in a python web server? Did you try just accepting the leaks and restarting the web server every x hours? That is what my old team did with our python web server.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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I come from a coal mining region. For over a 100 years there has only been one mine in the area, a big mine. There is plenty of coal in the surrounding areas. This is Africa. An uncle of mine had the idea that we start a mine. He invited about 20 of us, all related. We started putting aside money to register a company, pay a geologist to prospect for the coal and get mining permit to mine the coal. We all contributed…

People inside our tight social circles are held accountable by social pressure. This is why, for instance, Mormons seldom defraud other Mormons -- it would make Sunday mornings unpleasant for a long time to come. That your uncle would choose very deliberately to alienate his entire family is the astonishing thing. Would be curious to know what his social life is like, now ...

The opposite is what I noticed though. Family members will screw you over and then if you ask for repair they'll use the excuse that as family you should just all get along.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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On my first startup right after university, we were doing an IoT device (hardware + software), our MVP was good enough to make a couple of sales amounting to 550 consumers. At that point the board decided the best way to grow was to bring in “adult supervision” aka a seasoned CEO to run the company. Even though I did all the software, I had only around an 8% stake in the company at the time. The person in question de…

I trust that the product wasn't a health and safety critical device where having too few tests could have resulted in charges of criminal negligence.

It was a consumer hardware device, not a safety critical device or related to health. Totally understandable in those cases.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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post #163

On my first startup right after university, we were doing an IoT device (hardware + software), our MVP was good enough to make a couple of sales amounting to 550 consumers. At that point the board decided the best way to grow was to bring in “adult supervision” aka a seasoned CEO to run the company. Even though I did all the software, I had only around an 8% stake in the company at the time. The person in question de…

"Lesson learned: Big-corp CEOs don’t make for good startup CEOs 99% of the time." While this may be true, I don't believe it is fair to reach this conclusion on the basis of a single experience.

Fair point. As other comment pointed out, it would be interesting to see if there is data around this.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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The app was essentially what Slack does today. It was built to compete with Campfire and Hipchat (the new kid on the block) and the mission of the product was to be the most extensible group chat application.

Within a month we had paying customers. We didn't know how to grow the user base as neither my co-founder nor myself knew how to do marketing. After a few months of just adding features we tried finding investors and eventually had to do consulting to pay our bills.

At that point we had an acquisition offer that was way lower than what could have been. Because we were consulting and the product was going nowhere we sold it. It was overall a great experience but the software ended up dying in the hands of the acquirer as they could not find a way to market it either.

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