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Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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I come from a coal mining region. For over a 100 years there has only been one mine in the area, a big mine. There is plenty of coal in the surrounding areas. This is Africa. An uncle of mine had the idea that we start a mine. He invited about 20 of us, all related. We started putting aside money to register a company, pay a geologist to prospect for the coal and get mining permit to mine the coal. We all contributed…

Did it actually work out though? Is the mine making money?

So the contractor did indeed come through and mine for about three years. Contractor opted not to renew his contract. At this point I have to disclose my home country, it is Zimbabwe. We have had trouble convincing anyone to invest in the country. Dictatorship. Money that we made was shared according to the shareholding structure. I made peanuts.

Nothing happening now, I guess we tired from fighting.

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The startup failed because so much time was spent consulting to bring in revenue to pay meager wages, and not enough time was spent on building product. If you're going to fund your company with consulting, make sure you have a very strict rule about how much time you spend consulting. At the end of the day, you need to build product.

Was this MinOps? If so, what are you up to now?

No a different startup. I internalized the lesson from that startup and made sure that after I did the one consulting job for MinOps that we didn't do any more consulting, unless the job can be completed in less than a day.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Also learned not to fuck with the cartels" you seriously had to learn this

I don't get why this comment is so down voted. Do you guys all find the idea that collaborating with the mafia may be a bad idea so hard to figure out?

It's dismissive and added nothing to the conversation. (Not a down-voter FWIW.)

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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TL,DR, my main takeaways are: - it's all about the team (what every VC will tell you) - don't start a company with friends you haven't already worked with and really tested - first mover advantage won't help if you move straight into a wall

It's really all about the humans. I started a UAV company with some friends about 12 years ago, and we had a very ambitious initial project: an amphibious drone. I had gone to work right after graduating, while my friends had studied some more, so that when we started the company, with my 2 years of work experience, I was the most experienced one around. Needless to say, the original plan didn't work, and it was all about the team not being good enough.

We raised over a million, paid ourselves shit salaries (ie less than minimum wage), and managed to survive 3 years. After year two, a couple of the co-founders were given the boot for gross negligence (burning over 100k through sending the wrong plans to production..), and a pivot happened. It started working, then an accident happened and no money was left to recover from it.

It could seem that a bit more money could have saved the day, as in the third year we finally were onto something which we could do and for which there was a market fit. But the pivot only happened because the team changed. The remaining members of the team, notably the flight test / composite manufacturing team, were very competent, but I suspect they were just spent after 3 years of startup purgatory. So, when it seemed like we might survive a bit longer, they decided to just kill any such possibility and finally be able to walk away. The other co-founder that was left let it happen and just folded, going so far as to forbid me in writing to try anything further to sell our assets or save the company.

It was very hard realizing that my co-founder friends, some of whom I thought of as brothers, had behaved the way they did. It is heartbreaking to see people you trust be negligent and ruin the efforts made by others, and betray the trust of the people who had trusted a bunch of 20-somethings with a big pile of money.

I'm not blameless either. I should have reacted much earlier to the lack of professional standards of some of my colleagues, and either left or asked for them to leave. Friendship made me blind, and way too trusting. I should also have tried to raise more money when we pivoted, and focused a little less on product and business development, but I couldn't see that at the time.

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After 4 years of excellent growth my partner and I had enough income to support one person full-time. Both of us were programmers, the company was a side gig for us. When his dad was laid off from his job, we hired him to handle the day-to-day of the company, which was mostly turn-key at that point.

He did a bad job, drove the company into the ground, and we couldn't fire him without major personal issues, so we let the company die. I divested myself before things got really bad, but it was so sad to watch all that work and potential go up in flames.

We should have fired him anyway, but that's how you learn.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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I come from a coal mining region. For over a 100 years there has only been one mine in the area, a big mine. There is plenty of coal in the surrounding areas. This is Africa. An uncle of mine had the idea that we start a mine. He invited about 20 of us, all related. We started putting aside money to register a company, pay a geologist to prospect for the coal and get mining permit to mine the coal. We all contributed…

People inside our tight social circles are held accountable by social pressure. This is why, for instance, Mormons seldom defraud other Mormons -- it would make Sunday mornings unpleasant for a long time to come.

That your uncle would choose very deliberately to alienate his entire family is the astonishing thing. Would be curious to know what his social life is like, now ...

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is as big if not larger than After Effects - it's an entire VFX pipeline: servers as render nodes, as compositor nodes, and so on... All extremely high speed, to the tune of 150,000 30 second clips per minute. It is/was a globally scaled on-demand VFX pipeline. Not even the VFX industry has such pipelines.

Oh but why couldn't you make a little plugin to begin with ? And then clients who needs more can use your big pipeline. You can still adapt your pipeline for new uses -- for example Style Transfer ! Or other stuff I have some ideas

Oh, I tried all kinds of things, each with some level of success but not enough. I was offering a digital double API service to game studios, a web app for digital artists to create characters. The full pipeline was never used, just parts by various clients for customized needs.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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After 4 years of excellent growth my partner and I had enough income to support one person full-time. Both of us were programmers, the company was a side gig for us. When his dad was laid off from his job, we hired him to handle the day-to-day of the company, which was mostly turn-key at that point. He did a bad job, drove the company into the ground, and we couldn't fire him without major personal issues, so we let…

If it was mostly turn key, how’d he do such a bad job? I’m mostly at that point with my business and am aiming to “fool-proof” operations so looking for things I may be overlooking.

Re: Ask HN: Why did your startup fail and what did you learn?

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I come from a coal mining region. For over a 100 years there has only been one mine in the area, a big mine. There is plenty of coal in the surrounding areas. This is Africa. An uncle of mine had the idea that we start a mine. He invited about 20 of us, all related. We started putting aside money to register a company, pay a geologist to prospect for the coal and get mining permit to mine the coal. We all contributed…

People inside our tight social circles are held accountable by social pressure. This is why, for instance, Mormons seldom defraud other Mormons -- it would make Sunday mornings unpleasant for a long time to come. That your uncle would choose very deliberately to alienate his entire family is the astonishing thing. Would be curious to know what his social life is like, now ...

Actually, "According to the FBI, affinity fraud crimes are especially prevalent in Utah." https://fox13now.com/2017/12/20/fbi-warns-lds-church-members...

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I built an app for kids that created a family currency where kids would pick the chores they wanted to do each day, earn points based upon the difficulty of the chores, and then those points could be redeemed for real-life rewards that they also chose - hosting friends for a sleep-over, a fishing trip with Dad, learn a new card game with Mom, screen time, etc. The problem came with the marketing. When I did my due di…

Sounds interesting enough that you might get users by blogging about it / pr etc rather than paid advertising?
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