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Research shows that nearly every U.S. cell provider is doing throttling

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Post by phobosdeimos »

rbritton wrote: post #17
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Netflix blocks PIA, a VPN, from accessing its servers. Rights holders’ unchecked power is the problem. Abstracting their power through net neutrality terminology distracts from their damage and promotes their cause. If you want a shortcut to the solution, it includes “how could I make Netflix indfifferent as to how I access their content?”

Netflix blocks virtually all VPS provider IP ranges, so you can’t even host your own VPN to work around it.

True, Netflix first got popular in my country by people using VPN to access it. Now that they operate locally and are a part of the establishment they've been diligent in squashing VPNs.

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Post by whydead2 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Netflix blocks PIA, a VPN, from accessing its servers. Rights holders’ unchecked power is the problem. Abstracting their power through net neutrality terminology distracts from their damage and promotes their cause. If you want a shortcut to the solution, it includes “how could I make Netflix indfifferent as to how I access their content?”

I use VPNs like PIA all the time to leech movies from nflx.

The trick is to change your user agent string and make it totally dynamic. Seems to throw off their models.

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Post by gsich »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Netflix blocks PIA, a VPN, from accessing its servers. Rights holders’ unchecked power is the problem. Abstracting their power through net neutrality terminology distracts from their damage and promotes their cause. If you want a shortcut to the solution, it includes “how could I make Netflix indfifferent as to how I access their content?”

Netflix is the problem. Nobody is forcing them to implement a VPN check.

Rights holder want this. Netflix just delivers.

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Post by hamandcheese »

Throttling video speeds may very well be a good thing for many (most?) users who have a fixed data cap. Throttling means Netflix/Youtube/etc react by sending lower quality video to your tiny screen, where you won’t be able to appreciate higher quality anyway.

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Post by sbr464 »

Years back, I operated a small ISP to serve a need until cable broadband arrived in the community. I had to monitor overall usage and throttle clients frequently with high torrent/video usage. It was also an issue with hotspots in RV Parks/campgrounds where there was a higher ratio of video usage. There are technical limitations to spectrum/bandwidth, I'm curious why this isn't mentioned more in discussions like these?

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Post by takeda »

sbr464 wrote: post #25

Years back, I operated a small ISP to serve a need until cable broadband arrived in the community. I had to monitor overall usage and throttle clients frequently with high torrent/video usage. It was also an issue with hotspots in RV Parks/campgrounds where there was a higher ratio of video usage. There are technical limitations to spectrum/bandwidth, I'm curious why this isn't mentioned more in discussions like thes…

You should either guarantee a minimum speed with unlimited data or cap on maximum amount of data use can use. Throttling based on content means you were overselling. As an user I prefer to be in control of which applications get to use the Internet that I'm paying for.

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Post by sgt101 »

openloop wrote: post #14
openloop wrote: post #12

Fuck you pay me.

Emminent domain. Towers eveywhere they need to be. Move.

Physics > law > hope.

There is one bearer that is shared between all the wireless connections in a cell - the EM spectrum. Cells interfere with each other, so if you drop the power and up the frequencies of the cell you can have more cells in the same area but as you go up the frequencies to do that you have problems with things like walls and trees and also you have to have a wired network to provide the backhaul.

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Post by RangerScience »

sbr464 wrote: post #25

Years back, I operated a small ISP to serve a need until cable broadband arrived in the community. I had to monitor overall usage and throttle clients frequently with high torrent/video usage. It was also an issue with hotspots in RV Parks/campgrounds where there was a higher ratio of video usage. There are technical limitations to spectrum/bandwidth, I'm curious why this isn't mentioned more in discussions like thes…

I don't know either. The significant thing shouldn't be that video vs pics vs text is throttled (although that's an important thing that should be part of purchasing information), but whether Hulu vs Netflix are throttled.

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Post by lucb1e »

RangerScience wrote: post #28
sbr464 wrote: post #25

Years back, I operated a small ISP to serve a need until cable broadband arrived in the community. I had to monitor overall usage and throttle clients frequently with high torrent/video usage. It was also an issue with hotspots in RV Parks/campgrounds where there was a higher ratio of video usage. There are technical limitations to spectrum/bandwidth, I'm curious why this isn't mentioned more in discussions like thes…

I don't know either. The significant thing shouldn't be that video vs pics vs text is throttled (although that's an important thing that should be part of purchasing information), but whether Hulu vs Netflix are throttled.

Yep, there's a reason that's legal under net neutrality laws:

- If you need to block streaming video because that's the only way your public WiFi on trains is going to work, iirc you can do that without any legal issues.

- If you zero-rate music services as a marketing stunt, go ahead, but then you shall zero-rate all music services. (Still seems annoying, as a music service, to go around the world and apply to every ISP offering this (i.e. it still makes it slightly harder for newcomers), but I guess it's not unreasonable.)

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Post by RangerScience »

takeda wrote: post #26
sbr464 wrote: post #25

Years back, I operated a small ISP to serve a need until cable broadband arrived in the community. I had to monitor overall usage and throttle clients frequently with high torrent/video usage. It was also an issue with hotspots in RV Parks/campgrounds where there was a higher ratio of video usage. There are technical limitations to spectrum/bandwidth, I'm curious why this isn't mentioned more in discussions like thes…

You should either guarantee a minimum speed with unlimited data or cap on maximum amount of data use can use. Throttling based on content means you were overselling. As an user I prefer to be in control of which applications get to use the Internet that I'm paying for.

Welp. And you just totes changed my mind from the reply I just made.

This is fantastically well put.

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