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Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by squarefoot »

ultimoo wrote: post #60

> To get the protections, you’ll have to break your habit of using Google’s Chrome browser, which by some estimates has more than half of the worldwide browser usage. Safari and Firefox have less than 20 percent combined. This point is key here. I switched to FF about 6 months ago and every time I'm showing something to co-workers they will usually remark how unusual it is that I'm not using Chrome. Chrome is the de…

Firefox has been the standard for years after IE. Then Google invested huge resources in pushing Chrome and succeeded because they released at the right moment a super simple and optimized product compared to the huge behemoth Firefox was becoming. Things are quite different though now, and FF can fight Chrome in the same league speed wise then win hands down when it comes to privacy. Turning the tables back is definitely possible, but won't be easy or immediate though due to the amount of resources Google can invest in advertising for its products, which are orders of magnitude bigger than what the Mozilla Foundation could use.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by e_modad »

ultimoo wrote: post #60

> To get the protections, you’ll have to break your habit of using Google’s Chrome browser, which by some estimates has more than half of the worldwide browser usage. Safari and Firefox have less than 20 percent combined. This point is key here. I switched to FF about 6 months ago and every time I'm showing something to co-workers they will usually remark how unusual it is that I'm not using Chrome. Chrome is the de…

I always thought of Opera as the quintessential engineer's browser. I switched away from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back since. It's fast, has tons of extensions and works well for pretty much everything.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by bogomipz »

43920 wrote: post #77
tvanantwerp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched back to FF with Quantum. It was faster and the devtools weren't noticeably different--in fact, devtools was better because of CSS grid support. I'm still disappointed by the comparably small add on ecosystem, but I haven't been tempted to switch back.

I'm not sure if you've seen this already, but if you install the "Chrome Store Foxified" addon, you can install any Chrome extension in Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chrome-store-...

Interesting. Thanks for the link. How well does this addon work? Have you found the behavior and performance be pretty seamless between the two?

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by RaleyField »

hrktb wrote: post #44
moedersmooiste wrote: post #42

What I would like is a browser plugin/extension that jails every website in it's own cookie space. That way websites(and all trackers on that website) can only read their own cookies. Is there anything like that out there?

Firefox has. It screws third party logins and integration (mainly google/facebook logins) and Google’s captchas, which will be way harder than when cookies are shared.

> It screws third party logins and integration

Sounds like a feature to me.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by bogomipz »

hrktb wrote: post #44
moedersmooiste wrote: post #42

What I would like is a browser plugin/extension that jails every website in it's own cookie space. That way websites(and all trackers on that website) can only read their own cookies. Is there anything like that out there?

Firefox has. It screws third party logins and integration (mainly google/facebook logins) and Google’s captchas, which will be way harder than when cookies are shared.

>"It screws third party logins and integration (mainly google/facebook logins) and Google’s captchas, which will be way harder than when cookies are shared."

Could you elaborate on this? Whats the connection between shared cookies and Google's captcha intenstity? Thanks.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by bogomipz »

user812 wrote: post #16
curiousgal wrote: post #4

Why should anyone with an adblocker installed care about tracking? I mean isn't the end goal to just serve personalized ads?

If you don't use a very sophisticated blocking system (for example uBlock Origin in medium mode + pihole) the data is being collected independently of serving ads. While it will be used for Realtime Bidding and ad-retargeting, the data itself is very valuable in lots of other ways, and even though I am not an expert I fear that in many ways personalized profiles attached to your real world self can already be created…

>"If you don't use a very sophisticated blocking system (for example uBlock Origin in medium mode + pihole)"

I have a related question to the OP's question - why do you need pihole if you are already using uBlock? What does pihole provide beyond what the uBlock plugin is providing?

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by _8j50 »

The level of tracking they do is downright criminal. If someone makes a clear effort to avoid tracking and you track them anyways then you're a stalker. I've tried it all and I never use chrome unless I have no other choice. They track you anyways based on behavioral analysis across sites.

The answer is simple: criminalize their behavior. If you think that measure is extreme then you must not be aware of how dire the situation is. You shouldn't have to go through all these hoops and even when you do it's all futile.

A DNT request header should be treated as a digital court ordered restraining order,where violators get prison time(CEOs of the site).

This will solve sooo many problems without eliminating targeted advertising alltogether. A balance in favor of the people needs to be established.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by 1ark »

mattferderer wrote: post #59

I suggest trying Brave for browsing. It already handles this very well. It lacks the great developer environment that Chrome or Firefox has. Though if you're developing, you should probably have multiple browsers open part of the time anyways...

The new development builds are built with Chromium now, so can use all the nice things that is available for Chrome.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by 43920 »

bogomipz wrote: post #83
43920 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you've seen this already, but if you install the "Chrome Store Foxified" addon, you can install any Chrome extension in Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chrome-store-...

Interesting. Thanks for the link. How well does this addon work? Have you found the behavior and performance be pretty seamless between the two?

I've never had to use this myself (all the addons I want are already in addons.mozilla.org), but I've heard that it works pretty well in the past. (Interestingly, there are a bunch of reviews claiming the auto-download feature doesn't work anymore, so you might have to use something like http://crxextractor.com/first).

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Post by v8engine »

v8engine wrote: post #61
moedersmooiste wrote: post #42

What I would like is a browser plugin/extension that jails every website in it's own cookie space. That way websites(and all trackers on that website) can only read their own cookies. Is there anything like that out there?

https://sessionbox.io/discover

This extension does the same thing for chrome.
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