iOS 12 released • Hacker News Board

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by codetrotter » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM UTC

dialtone wrote: post #146

kbos87 wrote: post #20

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

The fact that each device has an IDFA that any app can share with literally anyone in the world, without the need to tell you, because IDFA is a quasi-persistent identifier I suppose doesn't matter.

First time I've heard of this. It is possible to turn it off though.

> note that when ad tracking is limited, the value of the advertising identifier is 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti...

Here is how you turn it off:

1. Go to Settings > Privacy > Advertising.

2. Turn on Limit Ad Tracking.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM UTC

ex3ndr wrote: post #177

Does anyone know if Mojave is going to be as awesome as this iOS update?

I'm really curious if it will be "the new El Capitan", if not "the new Snow Leopard."

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by DenisM » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #179

So from my testing with the beta, then having to roll back and losing 100GB of music, be aware that if you have an original Apple Watch, it’s not compatible with iOS12.

The just-release Watch OS 5 is compatible with Watch 1: https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-5/ so w 1 should be compatible with iOS 12

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by GW150914 » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

babl-yc wrote: post #58

This the most stable iOS beta I've ever used. It's exciting to see Apple focus on quality, even if the marketing page doesn't end up as flashy.

It really is great. I was having terrible input lag before, and now it’s completely gone. Everything from switching apps to opening a new webpage seems zippier too. Autocorrect seems to have gotten a bit of an upgrade, it’s suggestions are coming up much faster and they’re a bit easier to select.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

beerlord wrote: post #100

Its impressive that Apple is still supporting the iPhone 5S - a device released in 2013. By contrast Google's Nexus 5 flagship Android phone, also released in 2013, received its last major updated in 2015. 5 years of software updates (and probably more to come) vs 2 years - that's why I switched from Android to iPhone.

The iPhone 4s was the first device to support five major software versions. Here's hoping that the devices will be able to support more and more based on 1) hardware improvements in power and 2) software improvements on performance.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by rcarmo » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #190

wlesieutre wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor note for former Workflow users, it appears that the old Workflow app automatically updates to Apple's new Shortcuts app when you install the release version. I'd been on the public beta and was surprised to see Shortcuts preinstalled when I updated.

Anyone notice any major downsides, regressions, feature removals? The original app was powerful but quite complicated to use, I imagine Apple dumbed it down a bit for widespread adoption.

I lost most of my publishing shortcuts, which was expected, but lost the complication in the Apple Watch and its button launcher, which was critical for my commutes...

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by Jtsummers » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #183

Jtsummers wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which iOS version do you have? I recall that same issue, but it was fixed in one of the .x updates, but I don't recall which major version number.

Still happens on 11.4.1, I've got an obvious one last Saturday where I sent a photo and my friend's response to it is placed above as if it were sent before they even saw the photo. We're both in the same time zone with correctly set clocks. I appreciate Apple's stance on privacy, but I'm still talking to a lot of people on Messenger because the messages go in the right order there.

Huh, weird. That disappeared from my devices and my friends' and families' devices, so I thought it had been resolved. TIL.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM UTC

jen729w wrote: post #148

zoltaan wrote: post #143

Damn! There comes the bullying of upgrading. :( I am sure they want the best for us when they shove it down our throat.

“Shoving it down your throat” would mean that you had no choice but to install it. You do have a choice. Just ignore the red dot. It’s not that hard. Although why you’d want to is beyond me. We’ve been saying this here since iOS was a thing. People didn’t want to go from 6 to 7, or 7 to 8, and now 11 to 12. And yet, here we all are.

I didn't go from 10 to 11, and I think it was a justifiable decision.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by j2bax » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM UTC

ljm wrote: post #171

kbos87 wrote: post #20

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

Provided this position is 100% genuine (and by all accounts, there is no clear indication that it isn't), that it comes from Apple gives the pro-privacy stance a hell of a lot of clout. If a company like Apple is investing in privacy then the consumer must assume that privacy has a lot more value than the government insists, no? For those who are security conscious it's a great reason to get an iPhone over an Android…

I've asked this before on here and didn't get much of a response. If Apple truly believes in privacy, does this mean that they have a strict policy against using the data provided by companies that have a lower ethical stance on data collection? Is it more ethical to pay and benefit from the data for targeted advertising than it is to collect the data yourself?

Edit: On re-read I thought it might be unclear what I'm asking. Does Apple use Facebook and Google data for targeted advertising?

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by abalone » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM UTC

kyrra wrote: post #26

kbos87 wrote: post #20

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

Though I believe Apple bowed to China to give them access to Chinese citizen's iCloud data. But you can operate an iPhone without iCloud fairly easily, which is definitely nice. Doing more on-device helps them here. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi...

Also several of the iCloud services are E2E encrypted and designed to withstand adversarial clouds. They talked about it at Blackhat.[1]

Doesn't help things like mail or photos, of course, but it is extremely notable in the China context for one big reason: it does E2E encrypt messages. WhatsApp was banned from China when they implemented this. Apple stands out in this way... although they're probably getting away with it because most Chinese don't use Apple Messages.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLGFriOKz6U