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Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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What I would like is a browser plugin/extension that jails every website in it's own cookie space. That way websites(and all trackers on that website) can only read their own cookies. Is there anything like that out there?

https://sessionbox.io/discover

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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> To get the protections, you’ll have to break your habit of using Google’s Chrome browser, which by some estimates has more than half of the worldwide browser usage. Safari and Firefox have less than 20 percent combined. This point is key here. I switched to FF about 6 months ago and every time I'm showing something to co-workers they will usually remark how unusual it is that I'm not using Chrome. Chrome is the de…

I switched back to FF with Quantum. It was faster and the devtools weren't noticeably different--in fact, devtools was better because of CSS grid support. I'm still disappointed by the comparably small add on ecosystem, but I haven't been tempted to switch back.

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> To get the protections, you’ll have to break your habit of using Google’s Chrome browser, which by some estimates has more than half of the worldwide browser usage. Safari and Firefox have less than 20 percent combined. This point is key here. I switched to FF about 6 months ago and every time I'm showing something to co-workers they will usually remark how unusual it is that I'm not using Chrome. Chrome is the de…

Firefox (and Firebug) used to be THE environment used to develop for the web. Things changed and will change again. Chrome isn't some magic immortal browser.

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> To get the protections, you’ll have to break your habit of using Google’s Chrome browser, which by some estimates has more than half of the worldwide browser usage. Safari and Firefox have less than 20 percent combined. This point is key here. I switched to FF about 6 months ago and every time I'm showing something to co-workers they will usually remark how unusual it is that I'm not using Chrome. Chrome is the de…

Firefox (and Firebug) used to be THE environment used to develop for the web. Things changed and will change again. Chrome isn't some magic immortal browser.

This. Let's all please not forget that FireBug is probably the reason Chrome's dev tools are so good. Someone will eventually fill that space.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox (and Firebug) used to be THE environment used to develop for the web. Things changed and will change again. Chrome isn't some magic immortal browser.

This. Let's all please not forget that FireBug is probably the reason Chrome's dev tools are so good. Someone will eventually fill that space.

Well, FF+FB ruled supreme back when there were no decent alternatives, particularly on Windows - which was a very popular platform back then.

We're talking pre-2008, which is before smartphones, most people were browsing on Windows, and the only real alternative to MSIE on Windows was... Firefox.

Of course, it's great that Firefox was there, and that Firebug was developed, and it probably did contribute to the fact Chrome Dev tools are so good.

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I tried to switch to Firefox. But the biggest roadblock for me were Profiles. My Google Chrome profiles are so old and useful that I feel handicapped when on Firefox. Also, does Firefox can I have multiple profiles on Firefox now?

You can run multiple tab containers[1] in Firefox as well as multiple Firefox profiles[2] at the same time.

On Linux, I use:

    alias ff='firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote &'
[1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Mul...

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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>"Apple and Mozilla are able to push the boundaries on privacy because neither depends on advertising. Google makes most of its money from selling ads." I am curious will Google at some point push back on Mozilla's efforts here? Isn't the placement of Google search as the default search engine in Firefox a significant source of funding?

Probably part of the reason why they built and maintain Chrome. Firefox will always have a dedicated user base -- if Google want to be the default search engine on that browser they will have to pay for it otherwise services like Bing will occupy that space.

Google also built Chrome to send people to Google Search and click on ads on the way to their destinations. That's why auto-completion in Chrome is terrible. You will often end up on Google Search rather than the destination site. The ads are now disguised so well that most people probably click on them without realizing that they are ads.

Unfortunately, Firefox is now making a mistake by copying Chrome and mixing search results with URLs in one box. You have to go into the settings to re-enable two boxes (ctrl-l for URLs, ctrl-k for search).

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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The biggest draw to Chrome is the dev tools. The debugger especially is on par with Visual Studio, may be better, and smooth (too smooth actually, especially the scrolling) whereas Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices. For instance, the break point never works, and if it does, the variable values are undefined. I am using v60 but this has been happening for many versions now. I have never f…

> whereas Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices

I've found the opposite to be true. When I use Chrome I have pages freeze occasionally, but Firefox handles them every time.

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OK so now I'm considering switching my primary work browser to Safari instead of Chrome (I use Firefox for a lot of my general/personal browsing already). The one thing holding me back is development tools. Which has better devtools, Firefox or Safari? (I've tried both several times but always ended up running back to Chrome...)

I don't have an answer to your question, but I would ask: Why not use what you find best for development tools? Ie, I've switched away from almost everything Google. My phones, my email, my life. Yet, I still have Chrome installed. It has useful features, like development tools, Hangouts (for random free calls), etc. Is it worth it to purge Chrome entirely? Are we worried about Google as if they're a virus? I'm askin…

Safari is my daily driver, but for Dev work I switched to FireFox because almost 100% of Devs I know just use Chrome for both dev and everything, which is a good way to miss things breaking elsewhere and falling into an IE-like monoculture.
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