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Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by 7dare »

madeofpalk wrote: post #114
another-cuppa wrote: post #36

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It is a really interesting marketing move (and don't delude yourself, this is a marketing move). To market a feature that Google can't possibly compete with.

I don't think anyone's delusional about this - Apple genuinely cares about something that is also a market differentiator. It's a win/win scenario. The best business strategies are ones that benefit users AND makes the business money. That's what Apple's done here.

Even though it isn't the case right now, we must be careful for the feature not to become a feeling of privacy rather than privacy itself

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by snaky »

kyrra wrote: post #26
kbos87 wrote: post #20

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

Though I believe Apple bowed to China to give them access to Chinese citizen's iCloud data. But you can operate an iPhone without iCloud fairly easily, which is definitely nice. Doing more on-device helps them here. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi...

> an iPhone without iCloud

Would it send less telemetry data to Apple?

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by torstenvl »

ksec wrote: post #75
kyrra wrote: post #26

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Though I believe Apple bowed to China to give them access to Chinese citizen's iCloud data. But you can operate an iPhone without iCloud fairly easily, which is definitely nice. Doing more on-device helps them here. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi...

Which is why I have been crying for an iOS Time Capsule. I don't want to touch iTunes and do computer backup, that is like a very geeky way do it and most people in China don't even have Laptop or Desktop. If they can make Dual Sim and other features targeting the Chinese market; Apple's second biggest market, why cant they make Time Capsule specifically for China. ( Making it China only will likely piss off the Chin…

Have ou tried iMazing?

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by torstenvl »

btian wrote: post #45
Rjevski wrote: post #32

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Can’t you just select US sad your country when setting up the iCloud account and use a VPN? Or are Chinese devices different at the hardware level and only allow connecting to the Chinese (compromised) iCloud?

VPNs in China get blocked all the time.

Even private VPNs? I'm not that smart about networking but it seems like it would be difficult to distinguish an SSL/TLS connection to your DigitalOcean server because you're doing normal stuff and one where you're tunneling HTTPS through it.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by ahakki »

masklinn wrote: post #65
edbaskerville wrote: post #35

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The SE is basically a 6 in the 5S form factor.

It has the 6S's internal hardware, not the 6's. So it's way more powerful than the 6, let alone the 5S.

There are actually two phones called iphone se. It was updated from iphone6 hardware to iphone6s hardware partway through it’s life cycle withou a change to the name. The updated SE is also availible in rose gold while the original was not.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by nkkollaw »

saagarjha wrote: post #16
nkkollaw wrote: post #8

I don't know, I've watched the keynote, and it just looked to me like Allison was right in saying that the company without Steve Jobs would go down. Pretty considerably and pretty quickly, too, IMO.

Which keynote are you talking about? I thought the release of iOS 12 at WWDC was relatively well received.

The one about the new iPhones, not WWDC.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by nicky0 »

huebnerob wrote: post #117
addicted wrote: post #103

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If this is a marketing move, then any feature could be described as a marketing move. For example, how is Apple's emphasis on privacy, with the additional features they have added to push for it, different from their emphasis on backing up when they introduced Time Machine? I think that the Time Machine introduction was as much of a marketing move, at which point you've broadened the definition of the phrase where it…

Yes, every feature is a marketing consideration. Marketing involves everything about how your potential and existing customers view your products, and privacy is a huge subject of interest. That being said, there's nothing wrong with privacy being both a marketing move and aligned with our interests as users. In fact, I'm more comforted by the idea that morals and profits are aligned here, because no company is above…

Indeed. Making a good product is a marketing move.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by madeofpalk »

7dare wrote: post #121
madeofpalk wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone's delusional about this - Apple genuinely cares about something that is also a market differentiator. It's a win/win scenario. The best business strategies are ones that benefit users AND makes the business money. That's what Apple's done here.

Even though it isn't the case right now, we must be careful for the feature not to become a feeling of privacy rather than privacy itself

Of course. As with all claims and features, we must constantly be critical of them and the motivations behind them.
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