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Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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I've said it in the past, but I'm going to repeat myself: if anyone is willing to defend Pai's actions, would you like to do a friendly bet (proceeds to to a GiveWell charity) that as soon as he is legally allowed too he will be given a sinecure at Verizon/Comcast or an RNC friendly lobby shop?

Even odds.

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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I would be interested to learn how Indian and Indian-American HN members regard him.

Is he considered a source of pride within the community due to his accomplishments? Or is he an embarrassment due to decisions like Net Neutrality? Or, is it a complete no-op and the Indian/Indian-American community basically doesn't think about him either way?

Edit: I'm not sure why the downvotes. There are very few (if any?) Indian-Americans at that high and very visible level of government. It it a reasonable question to ask Indian-Americans whether they regard him in high or low-esteem, or neither, as a lone representative in an otherwise nearly all-white system.

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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This guy will just say anything, won’t he? I already knew he wasn’t a constitutional scholar, but this is rich even coming from a shill with as little self respect as Pai. The broader problem is that California's micromanagement poses a risk to the rest of the country. After all, broadband is an interstate service; Internet traffic doesn't recognize state lines. It follows that only the federal government can set reg…

This fight is pot vs kettle. CA doesn't think twice about making laws that contradict federal laws or are in direct violation of the constitution. Pai is, charitably speaking, in the pocket of industry. I think CA is within its rights this time around and wins this one fair and square though despite not having an awesome coffee mug.

>CA doesn't think twice about making laws that contradict federal laws

It's been my naive observation that state laws are, in some practical context, "allowed" to contradict federal laws, in the sense that perhaps they are simply given some de facto leeway. Am I totally off base? Does this reduce the hypocrisy?

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The broader problem is that California's micromanagement poses a risk to the rest of the country. After all, broadband is an interstate service; Internet traffic doesn't recognize state lines. It follows that only the federal government can set regulatory policy in this area. For if individual states like California regulate the Internet, this will directly impact citizens in other states. This line of argument fai…

It also fails the smell test because Internet traffic doesn't recognize international lines, yet he's claiming the federal government has regulatory powers over the Internet.

And previously has used the case that they DON'T have regulatory power over the internet to roll back the 2015 FCC changes.

So much for the party that claims they back state rights.

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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post #2

This guy will just say anything, won’t he? I already knew he wasn’t a constitutional scholar, but this is rich even coming from a shill with as little self respect as Pai. The broader problem is that California's micromanagement poses a risk to the rest of the country. After all, broadband is an interstate service; Internet traffic doesn't recognize state lines. It follows that only the federal government can set reg…

This fight is pot vs kettle. CA doesn't think twice about making laws that contradict federal laws or are in direct violation of the constitution. Pai is, charitably speaking, in the pocket of industry. I think CA is within its rights this time around and wins this one fair and square though despite not having an awesome coffee mug.

I don't know id you're right or wrong about California's overreach. Can you give a few supporting examples?

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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> It follows that only the federal government can set regulatory policy in this area. For if individual states like California regulate the Internet, this will directly impact citizens in other states.

-- Pai

Interesting argument. Could his reasoning be used to block attempts by states (NC, I'm looking at you!) to interfere with municipal broadband?

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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post #8

I've said it in the past, but I'm going to repeat myself: if anyone is willing to defend Pai's actions, would you like to do a friendly bet (proceeds to to a GiveWell charity) that as soon as he is legally allowed too he will be given a sinecure at Verizon/Comcast or an RNC friendly lobby shop?

To be totally fair here, I think you'd probably have to establish a base rate of this. I'd bet that virtually all prior FCC commissioners end up with a gig like that, regardless of how they regulated the industry. It should be an easy question to answer though.

EDIT: It seems many of them go to this place: https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ (source: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/314248-fcc-chair-to-ta...). Not sure what to make of that.

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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post #13

I would be interested to learn how Indian and Indian-American HN members regard him. Is he considered a source of pride within the community due to his accomplishments? Or is he an embarrassment due to decisions like Net Neutrality? Or, is it a complete no-op and the Indian/Indian-American community basically doesn't think about him either way? Edit: I'm not sure why the downvotes. There are very few (if any?) Indian…

What does that have to do with anything?

Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

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TBH it is hilarious we believe "net neutrality" exists in the first place. Peering agreements between ISP's at IPX's are rarely "fair or neuatral" as different ISP's have different carrying capacity, and will treat traffic from their own networks preferentially for technical reasons.

But since <5k people understand BGP routing configuration we pretend it is neutral.

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