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Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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I would not trust any opt-out offered by a company who's bottom line is directly dependent on violating people's privacy. The only opt-out that can be trusted is one that does send any network requests to the stalking company until consent is given. That's the same reason why you wouldn't want to ask an alcoholic to guard a warehouse full of vodka at night, as you'd probably find a few empty bottles the next day. Sam…

Unless you let that alcoholic guard two warehouses, and allow him to have a few bottles from one of them. In that case, he'd be stupid to take from the one where's he not suppose to.

Unless the alcoholic is the only employee that will do the job (zero competition), which means he can steal from both warehouses and still not get fired. Same situation with Google/Facebook/etc, they're too big to fail and can do nasty things without any consequences.

Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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I'm still surprised no one has yet figured out a way to store sensitive data about personal interests and preferences on the client-side and let the client itself pull appropriate ads for the user to see. The quality of such a system should be comparable or better to server-side technologies with the right amount of tuning, and much less privacy-invading than existing approaches. Personally I'd love to support more w…

This is an intriguing idea! Thank you for bringing it forth.

Out of curiosity, how familiar are you with how ad systems work? Generally there's a huge inventory of ads, each with different criteria attached to them and metadata about bids. When a request comes in, ads whose criteria are met are selected out and an instant auction takes place. The resulting ads are then shown.

I cannot think of a way that allows for both honoring the ad criteria and keeping personal interests and preferences solely client-side. You can't even take advantage of any form encryption here, as the results of the filtering would allow the server to infer the private data. This means you'd almost certainly have to get all the data to the client to allow querying locally.

OK, fine, that's workable. Then you just track impressions and so on to figure out when advertisers get charged. A potential drawback is that it's very possible that with impression and click data it could be possible to reconstruct most or all of the data a user might wish to protect. And there's no way to get away from this, either - pretty much all online advertising models rely on tracking one of impressions, clicks, and actions.

As for your two conditions:

> - A way to ensure that ads don't try to harm me by e.g. leading me to websites serving malware or abusing my computer's resources (e.g. miners)

Policing the contents of ads can be quite the task. Ensuring the contents of arbitrary external websites is next to impossible. There are no good ways to do this in a fully automated system at scale when someone else controls the other server and can change what content it serves at their discretion.

The best way I can think of to ensure this is to limit access to this hypothetical advertising platform to entities with the expertise and resources to protect themselves and anyone who comes into contact with their servers. Works for me, but being shut out of access to the biggest and best advertising systems might be a problem for many groups.

> - A way to keep my privacy and control what data is collected about me (and who has access to that data)

You know what? I think I know exactly what you want. You want the newspaper model. Collects no data from you, preserving your privacy. Only accepts advertising from partners that can be trusted, ensuring your safety. Doesn't need to closely track impressions, views, or actions.

Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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I hope they find ways to do this while actually complying with GDPR.

A lot of (primarily US-based) sites now say things like "We need to track you to keep running, consent or click this link to enter a maze of poorly documented ways you can try to opt out, if you decline then goodbye".

Some even let you opt out of tracking (taking several minutes to 'process' this opt out), and then tell you they can't serve you a site that doesn't track you.

I'm OK with those - I don't go there any more.

Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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I'm still surprised no one has yet figured out a way to store sensitive data about personal interests and preferences on the client-side and let the client itself pull appropriate ads for the user to see. The quality of such a system should be comparable or better to server-side technologies with the right amount of tuning, and much less privacy-invading than existing approaches. Personally I'd love to support more w…

This is the big idea I always pitched at hackathons (like startup weekend). I think it’s a great idea. 100% opt-in ads. My tagline was “a sufficiently relevant ad is indistinguishable from content.” It’s meant to be aspirational. The idea is that if you are looking to buy something, awareness of choices or information about that choice should be so valuable that it’s considered to be a benefit by the user. It’s basic…

Unless I specifically seek them out, I have no interest in learning about new products or services ever. Thus, an ad would never be relevant enough to be content for me.

Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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I'm still surprised no one has yet figured out a way to store sensitive data about personal interests and preferences on the client-side and let the client itself pull appropriate ads for the user to see. The quality of such a system should be comparable or better to server-side technologies with the right amount of tuning, and much less privacy-invading than existing approaches. Personally I'd love to support more w…

> I'm still surprised no one has yet figured out a way to store sensitive data about personal interests and preferences on the client-side

I'm pretty sure iAd works like this no? Also it wouldn't be massive advantage, you'd be serving less relevant ads (so losing out to competitors) and you can still track which ads a device requests.

Re: Funding Choices – Google’s new tool for GDPR compliance and content monetization

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> Engage ad blocking visitors

> With Funding Choices you can automatically identify ad blocking visitors and ask them to disable their ad blocker especially for your site — or give them an alternative way to fund your content via Contributor.

> Contributor lets users buy an ad removal pass for your site, helping you monetize your site's content again.

Great! Now, can I have that for Google? I'd gladly pay in exchange for the added privacy.

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