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The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by ObsoleteNerd »

ehnto wrote: post #46
Animats wrote: post #33

As I point out occasionally, most hard news sources have RSS feeds. The New York Times, Reuters, the BBC, CNN, and Fox News all have RSS feeds. The Hill, Roll Call, and Politico have RSS feeds. The Congressional leadership has an RSS feed. NASA and the ESA have RSS feeds. The National Weather Service has RSS feeds. New York City and the LAPD have RSS feeds. If it matters, it's probably in an RSS feed. It's social med…

Stuff that the creator/producer wants syndicated will probably have an RSS feed still. As social media platforms benefit from content lock in as opposed to syndication, the publisher (the platform) has no incentive to offer RSS. I am not particularly bothered by the lack of RSS on social platforms.

Reddit has RSS feeds for every subreddit too. I wonder how long for, now that they're trying to pivot to being a more "proper" social network.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by spc476 »

CharlesW wrote: post #30
spc476 wrote: post #6

A point not mentioned was Dave Winer's refusal to clarify if excerpts in his version of RSS feed needed to be plain text or contain HTML (either as HTML tags or entity encoded). He just kept saying "Keep it simple, people!"

There's no concept of an "excerpt" in RSS, but if we're talking item descriptions, the RSS 2.0 spec says that HTML is allowed and provides examples. http://www.rssboard.org/rss-encoding-examples

You could include the whole post or just a portion in the feed, but Dave never clarified how it was to be encoded.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by thegeekpirate »

krn wrote: post #95
Animats wrote: post #33

As I point out occasionally, most hard news sources have RSS feeds. The New York Times, Reuters, the BBC, CNN, and Fox News all have RSS feeds. The Hill, Roll Call, and Politico have RSS feeds. The Congressional leadership has an RSS feed. NASA and the ESA have RSS feeds. The National Weather Service has RSS feeds. New York City and the LAPD have RSS feeds. If it matters, it's probably in an RSS feed. It's social med…

Interestingly, Bloomberg doesn't have RSS feeds.

I found this, perhaps it can be of some help https://www.bloomberg.com/view/rss

Oh, and there's also this https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/feeds/site.xml

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by kgwxd »

danmg wrote: post #57
kgwxd wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read it or get a link to it? That's a subtle but important difference. I love RSS and it seems to be available every where I want it to be, even if it's a bit hidden, but it's almost always just links, maybe a snippet. The only exception in my current list is Planet GNU.

You can read it with: https://github.com/damng/hackernews-rss-with-inlined-content This generates an RSS feed with the contents of the articles inlined and available at https://damng.github.io/hackernews-rss-with-inlined-content/... By-passes most soft paywalls. No Javascript. No Tracking. No 'social' media buttons. No modal dialogs. Just text you can read in a terminal based rss reader like canto.

Cool, I'll use it, at least until the hosted site gets a take-down request :)

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by bstn »

walterbell wrote: post #109

What's the best iOS RSS reader for iPad (split view support) and iPhone, which manages a local-only database of RSS subscriptions, without requiring iCloud or other cloud-based login and surveillance?

Reeder is free since v4 will launch later this year. It works fine on Mac and iOS. You can use local RSS or things like Feedly. I just use local RSS. No syncing between Mac and iOS btw.

http://reederapp.com

edit: There is also the news that NetNewsWire is back to its original developer and will be released later this year: http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by clacke2 »

> Maybe RSS could have been extended somehow so that friends subscribed to the same channel could syndicate their thoughts about an article to each other.

@dang Congratulations, you just invented OStatus. :-)

OStatus is a combination of Atom+ActivityStreams+Salmon+WebFinger+WebSub for exactly this purpose. It was created in 2009 and was even partially used by Google Buzz. I could post something on identi.ca and see it pop up in my timeline on Google Buzz. But as you indicate regarding RSS, Google didn't know how to monetize it, and they soon killed Google Buzz in favor of the closed Google+, years before they killed Google Reader.

When Mastodon arrived in 2016 it used OStatus as its primary protocol until the new ActivityPub was recommended by the W3C as a replacement. OStatus is still supported by Mastodon as a secondary protocol, and part of the Fediverse still runs on pure OStatus.

Diaspora was inspired by OStatus, but removes the WebSub part in favor of going full Salmon, and does a few of the details differently.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by clacke2 »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #92

With the EU parliament's recent voting in favour of requiring consent/royalties for "rich linking" (eg. previewing content without sending the user to the original site), I can see a renaissance for RSS as an accepted and practical means for federated personal news aggregation. But then for me and many others, RSS has never gone away. While we are at it, we should also bring back Usenet/nntp (though obviously I have…

> With the EU parliament's recent voting in favour of requiring consent/royalties for "rich linking" (eg. previewing content without sending the user to the original site), I can see a renaissance for RSS as an accepted and practical means for federated personal news aggregation.

That's funny, I see the same legislation as the death of all unauthorized RSS aggregation. The "link tax" provision isn't about links, it's about excerpts of content.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Post by xte »

Good "history" post that anyone who do not know should read as personal IT history culture however their conclusion IMVHO are wrong.

When RSS concept started we simply do not have always-on tech, ads-tech, aggregator's tech and software itself was a business. Now that we have the above TheBig simply prefer control their consumers better. RSS-web-client like Google reader are simply ancestor of modern aggregator, a way to control users while leaving a bit of freedom, aggregator's suppress this last bit of freedom, that's for me the real reason behind RSS/Atom decline.

Sorry for my poor English.

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