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Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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Unintelligible and endless. I don't know what's being "reconsidered" because this adds nothing other than an weird-ass attempt to associate Wikileaks, Snowden, Poitras and Greenwald with Putin and Russia, Nazism, and the Australian far-right(?!).

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Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

#32

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This claim struck me as especially dumb. We can easily determine whether or not he was a Russian asset by asking the question "Why is he in Russia?" He is in Russia because the U.S. cancelled his passport after he left China and before he got to Ecuador. He hasn't been able to leave because the U.S. won't restore his passport. And he's still on a temporary Russian visa. And even if he found a way to fly, the last tim…

If we posit that his being in Russia is not good evidence for him being a Russian agent all along, that does not mean it is good evidence he was not a Russian agent all along.

Parsimony would dictate that a plan that involves them getting their asset back through a convoluted series of timing decisions the U.S. made that were completely beyond Russia's control is a terrible plan, and one that could have easily been replaced with him simply flying directly to Russia the first time and not leaving.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

#33

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If we posit that his being in Russia is not good evidence for him being a Russian agent all along, that does not mean it is good evidence he was not a Russian agent all along.

Parsimony would dictate that a plan that involves them getting their asset back through a convoluted series of timing decisions the U.S. made that were completely beyond Russia's control is a terrible plan, and one that could have easily been replaced with him simply flying directly to Russia the first time and not leaving.

Why assume that things happened according to a/the plan? Things often don't happen according to plan. I was just reading that some people think Guccifer 2.0 was actually a response to blown cover.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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Uncertainty and doubt are not actually bad. There are a whole lot questions we don't have good answers for, and so we should be comfortable admitting what we don't know. You can keep questions in mind without immediately answering them. On the other hand there are what I call the "instant experts" who are quick to take sides on something they were ignorant of yesterday, just because they read something about it in th…

You're confusing the scientific rational doubt, and projected, induced, completely irrational and paranoid feeling of doubtful fear and uncertainty that distorts peoples' perception and makes them panic and act irrational, and do and accept things and compromises they otherwise never would. The fear of the dark, if you will. And whether it's government pushing for more control, or pimps/mafia/molesters pushing their…

One person's rational doubt is another's paranoid doubt. I thought the original article expressed rational doubt.

Without evidence, I lean towards assuming Snowden's motives are what he says they are. But after all, none of us (I assume) actually know him. He's a person in the news.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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post #5

> An earlier version of this essay misstated the number of documents that Edward Snowden released; that number is not known. The figure of 1.7 million was an intelligence estimate given to Congress of files accessed by Snowden. An earlier version also misstated that the DuckDuckGo search engine allows partners to collect user data; it does not. The article has been updated. So the author spent all this time writing t…

There's a credible argument that Snowden didn't even bother to confirm how many documents he extracted from NSA intranet servers before disclosing them en masse to people he barely knew, so there's an irony to trying to ding this article for getting a count wrong.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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post #23
post #5

> An earlier version of this essay misstated the number of documents that Edward Snowden released; that number is not known. The figure of 1.7 million was an intelligence estimate given to Congress of files accessed by Snowden. An earlier version also misstated that the DuckDuckGo search engine allows partners to collect user data; it does not. The article has been updated. So the author spent all this time writing t…

It was written by a three letter agency because it contained and corrected some relatively minor factual errors?

Accusing DDG of doing the very thing it claims it does not and will never do is beyond "relatively minor" in my opinion.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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post #23

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It was written by a three letter agency because it contained and corrected some relatively minor factual errors?

Accusing DDG of doing the very thing it claims it does not and will never do is beyond "relatively minor" in my opinion.

It's not 'accusing'. It's just making a mistake. And either way, that's not any sort of evidence of the piece being written by some three letter agency.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

#38
post #23

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It was written by a three letter agency because it contained and corrected some relatively minor factual errors?

Accusing DDG of doing the very thing it claims it does not and will never do is beyond "relatively minor" in my opinion.

DuckDuckGo just really doesn’t matter to this piece (which is about ideology and power, not tech). Still an error that they shouldn’t have made, but it is a “minor” error.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

#39
post #6

> The question of whether or not Snowden was a Russian asset all along has been raised and debated. No evidence has been found that he was, just as no evidence has been found that he was a spy for China. ... We can’t know. Wikipedia: Fear, uncertainty and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy...

People used to say Wikileaks is independent and definitely not propped up by the Kremlin. And now it's plainly apparent that they are. For me, living in Russia and knowing the kind of rhetoric our government likes to push, it was obvious all along. Once Snowden will be revealed working for the Kremlin, I'm looking forward to gloat about that too.

Re: Edward Snowden Reconsidered

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post #26

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The article claims a lot ... yet I cannot find any source interviews where Snowden defended Putin.

That's not what you asked. The article lists several occurrences which the author interprets as support for Putin. You said you read the article and found no such thing. That's not a reasonable representation of the article. Or of reading.

Several? Snowden is brought into association with Assange and Greenwald, a lot of the instances you are talking about mentioned in the article are not related to Snowden but to Wikileaks etc. I don’t know any instance where Snowden was in direct support or defended Putin (even from the article). The only “Support” from Snowden was showing up in a TV show with Putin asking him 2 questions.

Still my question holds: when did Snowden defend Putin? (and can you get a source interview or statement directly from Snowden … not associations over actions of 3rd parties).

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