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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by O_H_E »

ladzoppelin wrote: post #107
thebooglebooski wrote: post #95

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"The trust must be restored." Playing devil's advocate, what happens when the trust doesn't become restored? The company loses ad revenue? Developers flee in mass droves to...Yahoo and Microsoft? Look what happened when people "lost trust" in Facebook. Shares are down 4% relative to a year ago. Is the company permanently crippled? Are people revolting and moving to alternate forms of social media? Fewer of the people…

Facebook is in trouble man, I am amazed the outcry of general public. Its all circumstantial evidence but the amount of people in my circle who are talking about leaving, creating fake profiles and getting their kids pictures of the platform is profound. Edit: IMO.

The problem is that all HN reader's outer circles would never constitute 1% of Facebook's user base

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by Inthenameofmine »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #151
uluyol wrote: post #22

The death of reader wasn't as bad as this for me. Soon after reader died, alternatives popped up left and right, and some of them are better than reader ever was. What alternative is there to gmail/inbox? Unlike an RSS reader, I think it's much more difficult to make an email service that's close to being as good as gmail/inbox while having the same level of features, especially across platforms.

What do you consider better than reader was? I'm still looking for something that scratches that itch in the same way so I'd really like to hear your opinion.

Inoreader is a very good alternative now imo. It lacks the way to share and subscribe to other people's shared articles, but i'd still give it a 9/10.

On that note, it boggles my mind that no startup has simply coppied google reader's features yet.

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Post by aembleton »

manquer wrote: post #244
_match wrote: post #155

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This is nonsense. Gmail is free. Inbox was free. Google Search is free. You can launch a profitable business on Google Cloud or Firebase in the free tier. They built Kubernetes and Go, for free, and it's very easy to port your Cloud infrastructure anywhere. You can translate text to any language, for free. What exactly do they owe you? Not enough people were using Inbox. It was an experiment and now they're moving on…

Gsuite also had inbox and Gmail and they are not free. Users who pay for those care. Next time I have to make a choice on Google product, most likely will reject it coz I can't really on them to either maintain it or give actual human support either MS is probably supporting XP in the embedded world. If you are not selling to consumers you have to be prepared to do that

Only if the administrator has allowed Inbox. Mine doesn't. Maybe most of them don't and so keeping it alive can't be justified.

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Post by kungtotte »

shaklee3 wrote: post #210
sharmi wrote: post #146

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In the case of open source project, * if the maintainer is no longer able to take the project further, the code is still there an can be used as is, maybe with a few bugfixes. (ala, thunderbird). The code does not disappear overnight. r. * All the associated data is still yours and available. So no information is lost. * If it is very critical, you can develop it yourself further I am not an user of Inbox, but I can…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but inbox shared your same content as Gmail, right? If that's the case, nothing was lost.

Aside from the pin and bundle meta-data, which doesn't transfer over automatically AFAIK.

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Post by Terretta »

mattkevan wrote: post #75
omosubi wrote: post #16

I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

After being a keen Google user in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, I’ve been in on a process of extracting them from my life now their true creepy colours are on display. YouTube => Deleted Google plus => Deleted Gmail => Deleted, switched to Soverin [0], works great, less than $4 per month for 25gb email hosting Drive => Deleted, moved to iCloud Docs => Deleted, use iWork for docs and Bear [1] for text Search => Duck Du…

About Soverin — how is the spam filtering?

Ruthless spam filtering without false positives is Gmail’s “killer app”, with insane scale and network effects protecting that lead.

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Post by hueving »

colbyh wrote: post #224
fiblye wrote: post #217

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The above poster said few, not zero. Google has killed off dozens upon dozens more officially launched projects.

the four listed are the biggest products in the world in their space. the first three would be multi billion dollar companies outside of Google. not to mention Search itself, Docs has become a fantastic product as has Photos. of course they have killed hundreds of potentially great projects (RIP Reader) but give the company their due - they know how to build products.

Gmail would not be a multi-billion dollar company. It doesn't make money (remember they don't target ads on email content anymore). You'd have to roll in Google apps for business to get to the money making part.

Chrome definitely isn't a multi-billion dollar company. There is no revenue stream there. Firefox only exists by selling the search bar and being a non-profit.

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Post by sdrothrock »

elvinyung wrote: post #228
sdrothrock wrote: post #227

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You are absolutely correct and I completely agree; this is part of what I wanted to get at. Google also uses this two-fold "data-gathering disguised as a service" methodology in its captchas -- as your reference to "capare" reminded me. :)

It's actually interesting because Rob Kitchin has started almost exclusively using the word "capta" in his later works. I'm tempted to follow him in doing that in my personal writings. (Captcha and other forms of "data labor" [1] or even "data slavery" is also something that I've started exploring.) [1] https://uknowledge.uky.edu/geography_facpub/11/

I had no idea anyone was doing in-depth research into this kind of -- as he aptly calls it -- data labor. This would really merit its own HN submission. Thank you for showing me!

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Post by carlesfe »

mattkevan wrote: post #75
omosubi wrote: post #16

I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

After being a keen Google user in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, I’ve been in on a process of extracting them from my life now their true creepy colours are on display. YouTube => Deleted Google plus => Deleted Gmail => Deleted, switched to Soverin [0], works great, less than $4 per month for 25gb email hosting Drive => Deleted, moved to iCloud Docs => Deleted, use iWork for docs and Bear [1] for text Search => Duck Du…

How is Soverin delivery? It's the first time I've heard of them so they don't seem to have been around for many time. Newer mail companies sometimes have problems delivering to Microsoft or Yahoo servers. Can you comment on that? I'd be very interested to switch.

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Post by lsc »

8ytecoder wrote: post #183
Buge wrote: post #174

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You're right that passionate users can no longer effectively bring new people to Google. But passionate users can lead people away from Google.

This. Google cloud for example is the most technologically advanced. But no one in my company would touch it with a ten foot pole. Google can and will shutdown things is just ingrained - even when we pay, things will change so drastically or be not supported any more that you just can't assume anything.

it seems so weird to me how many companies seem okay with choosing just one cloud vendor, when operating across two isn't that much extra overhead, if you limit yourself to products that two companies provide, and gets you a lot of negotiation and business continuity options.

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Post by comboy »

lsc wrote: post #259
8ytecoder wrote: post #183

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This. Google cloud for example is the most technologically advanced. But no one in my company would touch it with a ten foot pole. Google can and will shutdown things is just ingrained - even when we pay, things will change so drastically or be not supported any more that you just can't assume anything.

it seems so weird to me how many companies seem okay with choosing just one cloud vendor, when operating across two isn't that much extra overhead, if you limit yourself to products that two companies provide, and gets you a lot of negotiation and business continuity options.

I would argue that there's a huge overhead. At least if you make use of tools that these companies provide. And if you don't, then just go with dedicated boxes which you can get cheaper than cloud solutions.
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