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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I hate their “new” tabs that tries to categorize emails. It’s just extra clicks to get to the emails I want. It’s forced me to go back to a dedicated email app.

What are you talking about man? You can easily turn it off in "configure inbox" section.

Yea but disables other things as well. Like the ability to snooze

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

ProtonMail has been the best (free) gmail alternative I can find. Has the necessary mobile apps and encrypts all email.

I have used protonmail for a long time but have now switched to tutanora. The recent 100% rebuild of the webapp is really nice and fast. Android app is also 100% open source on fdroid

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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This is puzzling, as Google pushed Inbox pretty hard. I was under the impression that the Gmail interface would be decommissioned, and Inbox would be the future.

If you've worked in large orgs it makes sense. They had a strategic priority a while back to 'make mail good on mobile' ... whereas now they are folding it all back into the gmail umbrella because the overall strategic impetus would be to be gmail founded. So, short term strategy now important with the longer term issues of product portfolio. Collapse the 'good bits' of inbox into Gmail and move forward. You have to…

The problem is, in companies with billions to burn the design is largely decided upon by people that have no business doing any design.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

See https://restoreprivacy.com/google-alternatives/ for a good list.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

I was a fan boy for a while due to the general Unix geekdom impedance match, and I disliked the Apple ecosystem due to being led by big-ego designers, but I still gotta admit, Apple's incentives are better aligned with the little people's (the end users') interest. In the case of Google the users are the advertisers and you get what you get. I see the decisions play out internally at the adtech company I work for, and it's really nothing sinister, but revenue has a huge influence on decisions and the end user often loses.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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This is puzzling, as Google pushed Inbox pretty hard. I was under the impression that the Gmail interface would be decommissioned, and Inbox would be the future.

I am extremely surprised to have never heard of it before... Maybe I thought it was part of Gmail, I dunno.

I still miss Reader, it had all my favorite websites back in the day.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

I'm the same! I had the very first Android phone, the G1, and countless Android phones after that. I was a huge promoter when Android first came out. I pay for Gmail, Google drive, Google Fi, and use Google voice.

- I've decided I'm going to switch back to FireFox.

- I switch to an iPhone for the first time ever this year.

- I've looked hard into switching to https://www.fastmail.com. I've gone as far as backing up all my emails. (Funnily enough, I was looking into switching to Inbox.)

- I switched over to Dropbox.

- I literally only talk to one person on hangouts now.

- I primarily use Dialpad now. (from the makers of Uber Conference)

- I've been using duckduckgo.com more and more. I tried it as a daily driver for a bit but eventually went back.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Same here. I've been accepting the new look when prompted to try it out, but I keep switching back within a few hours. I hope those metrics mean something.

I'm sure one of their metrics is "time on site", which often doesn't distinguish between "spends more time because they enjoy the product" and "spends more time because they can't find the things they're looking for and are becoming very frustrated with your service"

My time on site went to zero. When I saw this coming after it took forever for Inbox to update for the iPhonex, I moved to Mail.app.

Another annoying side note. Google recently forced the switch from hangouts to meet, and meet video chat doesn’t work in Safari.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

> Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers.

Some companies have to care what developers think. (Few, to be frank; developers overestimate their importance.) Many companies have to care what "influencers" think.

But not all, and Google is not part of that "most". Google doesn't have to give a shit because everyone uses Google. They are literally market-saturated at this point. They have no competition and the only material threat in the medium run is a powerful country with a salty antitrust division.

And on your other point, the idea that a company like Google should care about the rounding error of people who care about some B2C thing like Reader shutting down (while many totally-fine alternatives exist) being so personally put out that that colors their analysis of B2B offerings is more than a little silly. If you decide on GCP based frustrations over Google Reader or Google Inbox, you probably aren't clear-headed enough to be making decisions for your company and it's probably a good thing that you are a rounding error besides.

(I use some Google services; I don't use GCP for a variety of reasons completely unrelated to babyraging over a B2C shutdown.)

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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im not sure whats going on in google when it comes to email, but i really hope when this new look is enabled again in 2 weeks i can still go back to classical...

You can always use an IMAP client and never look back heh
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