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Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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Many would and will when it's available.

Except for the 20% of users who feel that Google is not to be trusted and implant an Apple iChip for the premium experience. In all seriousness, the percentage of people willing to forego using an Apple or Google smartphone (or any smartphone) to uphold at least some semblance of (digital) control over their life sometimes feels so low that it should be called a permillage.

Thank you for the vocabulary.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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Xiaomi doesn't give a shit about the bootloader itself. What it cares about, is people receiving a modified version of MIUI which it has no control over: "The retailers would buy Xiaomi devices in bulk, unlock the bootloader, change the software themselves or flash a custom ROM like Xiaomi.eu (unofficial ROMs based on MIUI China but with more languages and features), and then sell the device. Most consumers would hav…

>Most consumers would have no way of knowing they’re running unofficial/modified software It's right there on the boot screen. They can make it more explicit if they want with a red skull or whatever. That reason doesn't fly. Also, what changes in 30 days ?

Xiaomi is primarily a software company, not hardware. It sells hardware almost at its costs, because it treats it as a user acquisition. If a re-seller replaces the official MIUI version with a modified one, Xiaomi loses a customer. Xiaomi doesn't care about Android One phones, and allows them to be unlocked instantly.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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You can't turn off Google Play Services any more. There's no "Disable" button. I use F-Droid apps for everything and have all the Google stuff turned off, but can't easily get rid of Google Play Services.

The only way to turn off Play Services is not installing them at all.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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You can avoid all of this by using an iPhone. Apple's business model does not involve ad revenue or data collection. Your data is collected but is used purely to improve the iPhone. Your data is intentionally obfuscated for privacy. For an example of Apple's strict policy, check out this article on Apple Maps: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

Except this is not really about data collection, but about the other direction: Who can send data to my phone (or other device) I ostensibly own and make it do all kinds of things without my permission - or restrict what I can do with it. I don't see how Apple is better than anyone else in that regard.

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Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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We need more transparency from companies, this time it was a 'bug' that was visible to the end user (hey! who turned on power saving?). Would Google go public if they also develop a 'bug' that is not visible easily by the user or if it was not discovered by anybody but them? Like a 'bug' that changes certs temporarily to intercept your encrypted traffic or uploads random data elsewhere, etc?

You can avoid all of this by using an iPhone. Apple's business model does not involve ad revenue or data collection. Your data is collected but is used purely to improve the iPhone. Your data is intentionally obfuscated for privacy. For an example of Apple's strict policy, check out this article on Apple Maps: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

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Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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>Most consumers would have no way of knowing they’re running unofficial/modified software It's right there on the boot screen. They can make it more explicit if they want with a red skull or whatever. That reason doesn't fly. Also, what changes in 30 days ?

Xiaomi is primarily a software company, not hardware. It sells hardware almost at its costs, because it treats it as a user acquisition. If a re-seller replaces the official MIUI version with a modified one, Xiaomi loses a customer. Xiaomi doesn't care about Android One phones, and allows them to be unlocked instantly.

I think you are conflating a few different things. That they want you to use their OS is obvious. The 30 day period may even be a wear-you-down period, so that you grow to like their OS. That is quite unrelated to the evil reseller backstory, mainly because the reseller could do that after 30 days too, and if they only wanted to thwart resellers, they could do captcha + ip checks, which they presumably anyway do.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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Flutter original team started with former Chrome engineers and one of the first design decisions was to drop the Web UI concepts. If I am not mistaken it was Timothy Jordan that explained it on an interview. So Google, the company pushing Web UIs, including PWAs in collaboration with Microsoft, still thinks they aren't worthwhile to be the default stack on their devices. Apple and Microsoft also have UI stacks where…

Just because they decided to drop the Web UI concepts do not mean that what they chose was more powerful or the better decision in general -- it suggests it was the right decision for them . Also, since when was Google "the" company pushing web UIs forward? Mozilla is that company in my mind -- remember the time when they made a whole mobile operating system based on it, and at the same time tried to push forwards fo…

> Also, since when was Google "the" company pushing web UIs forward?

Since they introduced JIT compilers for JavaScript, keep spending money pushing forward an operating system that is basically a browser juggler and introduced PNaCL.

> I'd love to be enlightened to what you think is the problem with DOM in particular that makes it not the right model

Rendering performance.

The way DOM semantic works is no match for a composition engine designed from the bottom up for accelerated graphics UI.

DOM is for displaying documents not interactive graphics.

This is also the main reason why Flutter team dropped DOM, at they were hitting the border of what was possible while keeping DOM semantics.

Also why Houdini project exists, but it is far from ever reaching the browsers.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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We need more transparency from companies, this time it was a 'bug' that was visible to the end user (hey! who turned on power saving?). Would Google go public if they also develop a 'bug' that is not visible easily by the user or if it was not discovered by anybody but them? Like a 'bug' that changes certs temporarily to intercept your encrypted traffic or uploads random data elsewhere, etc?

You can avoid all of this by using an iPhone. Apple's business model does not involve ad revenue or data collection. Your data is collected but is used purely to improve the iPhone. Your data is intentionally obfuscated for privacy. For an example of Apple's strict policy, check out this article on Apple Maps: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

I'm not sure if it is still the case nowadays, but back when I had an iPhone I remember that Apple had a killswitch which allowed them to remove already installed apps on one's phone.

Nevertheless, I doubt that Apple is more inclined to give away their control of your device. I would guess that they could do the exact same as Google did.

Re: Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, then rolled it back

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We need more transparency from companies, this time it was a 'bug' that was visible to the end user (hey! who turned on power saving?). Would Google go public if they also develop a 'bug' that is not visible easily by the user or if it was not discovered by anybody but them? Like a 'bug' that changes certs temporarily to intercept your encrypted traffic or uploads random data elsewhere, etc?

You can avoid all of this by using an iPhone. Apple's business model does not involve ad revenue or data collection. Your data is collected but is used purely to improve the iPhone. Your data is intentionally obfuscated for privacy. For an example of Apple's strict policy, check out this article on Apple Maps: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

>Your data is collected but is used purely to improve the iPhone.

I remember when I believed in dreams, too.

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