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Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by TomMckenny »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, carrying whatever some secret service said they were carrying (and which we should take their word for it) in an ongoing effort to revive the Cold War... Perhaps they even had WMDs on them...

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His post and the spam of others like it are to invite enough controversy that this story disappears from the front page. And since I was obliged to post to point that out, I'll continue...

The UK is _not_ central. So now we instantly distrust the Swiss and Dutch secret services too. Who, we're to believe, framed these fellows yet punished them with nothing more than sending them back to Russia.

If Westerners are now going to consistently favor a conspicuously monstrous dictatorship over their own defense mechanisms then their story is over.

But now that this story is obviously being killed by abusing the controversy penalty algorithm, I hope the admins use it as a honey pot for locating shills.

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by azangru »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #19
coldtea wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, carrying whatever some secret service said they were carrying (and which we should take their word for it) in an ongoing effort to revive the Cold War... Perhaps they even had WMDs on them...

"Perhaps they even had WMDs on them..." I downvoted you for this. That isn't suggested anywhere and there are enough unsubstantiated accusations flying around without people starting a few more.

Wasn't this comment (the whole thread, really) just sarcasm?

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by [deleted] »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, carrying whatever some secret service said they were carrying (and which we should take their word for it) in an ongoing effort to revive the Cold War... Perhaps they even had WMDs on them...

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Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by rurban »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #19
coldtea wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, carrying whatever some secret service said they were carrying (and which we should take their word for it) in an ongoing effort to revive the Cold War... Perhaps they even had WMDs on them...

"Perhaps they even had WMDs on them..." I downvoted you for this. That isn't suggested anywhere and there are enough unsubstantiated accusations flying around without people starting a few more.

He probably meant their brains

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by heavenlyblue »

keyme wrote: post #18
heavenlyblue wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"which side are you on" == exactly what the guy above said about people like you reviving the cold war. What sides?

The sides where Russia is happily occupying and destabilizing the regions which were previously under their area of influence. And the fact is that most of the Russian people feel quite nationalistic about their previous "glory", so they'll eat up whatever Putin is doing to them indirectly through NATO sanctions.

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by heavenlyblue »

kushti wrote: post #17
heavenlyblue wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your "logic", basically "choose your side and believe without questioning" is not appropriate for any more or less educated person, I need to say.

You choose a side based on the environment you support. The fact is that those "educated people" make uneducated disappointed in their own government, and Russia is happy to take advantage of that fact. The problem isn't the truth, the problem is the platform where that truth is practically used against your own system of values.

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by AlexeyParamonov »

Yeah, we, Russians, are so stupid so decided to kill the guy who was in our prison several years ago (why did not we do that then?) with a top Soviet chemical weapon which is like droping a nuclear bomb to kill a single person. There is a information war happening to desecrate Russian Federation in the eyes of the world and nothing more.

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by kushti »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #26
kushti wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "logic", basically "choose your side and believe without questioning" is not appropriate for any more or less educated person, I need to say.

You choose a side based on the environment you support. The fact is that those "educated people" make uneducated disappointed in their own government, and Russia is happy to take advantage of that fact. The problem isn't the truth, the problem is the platform where that truth is practically used against your own system of values.

"truth is practically used against your own system of values" - if truth is against the system of "values", the problem is in the system, not the truth.

Re: Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab

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Post by azangru »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #26
kushti wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "logic", basically "choose your side and believe without questioning" is not appropriate for any more or less educated person, I need to say.

You choose a side based on the environment you support. The fact is that those "educated people" make uneducated disappointed in their own government, and Russia is happy to take advantage of that fact. The problem isn't the truth, the problem is the platform where that truth is practically used against your own system of values.

This is a really interesting proposition. So what you are saying is, if your values do not agree with the truth (whatever that might be; I am not sure what you mean here), then so much the worse for the truth? It is not your values that need revising, it is the truth that needs to be ignored?
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