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Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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For a billionaire who is slowly killing small business (because your margins are his opportunity), forcing people to earn less I find this ironic.

So you'd rather have him hoard his wealth and do nothing? Or somehow handicap Amazon so it doesn't compete? Your argument doesn't really hold up.

2 billion dollars is a drop in the bucket compared to what he has extracted.

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No one's shaming him for not doing something better. They're shaming him for having a direct role in creating the problem this charity is supposed to resolve.

How is Amazon creating more homeless people?

By centralizing giant swathes of the consumption economy to run through Amazon, destroying jobs at every step of the way. Sweden have banned Amazon so their local economies can flourish. I think this is good macro business logic for a nation state. https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-amazon-competition-ec...

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There's a good 2-part podcast about Benevolent Billionaires from the "Citations Needed" podcast that goes a bit over the history of billionaire benevolence and what the good deeds cover up.

Any chance you could braindump a tl;dl?

Just until someone actually responds... I haven't watched part 2, but I remember part 1 being focused on Bill Gates as the main example to showcase their points. A big focus is how non-profit organizations aren't as benevolent as they appear to be. For example how Bill Gates' charity has more money than it began with and how a lot of what's classified as "charity" ends up being stuff like media influence and making a documentary about why private schools are gonna save education in America. They also point out how easy the media goes on Gates and other "charitable" billionaires and how seriously they take their worldviews despite not having any real education in, say, economic theory or history.

Here's part 1:

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-45-the-not-so...

And here's part 2:

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-46-the-not-so...

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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No one's shaming him for not doing something better. They're shaming him for having a direct role in creating the problem this charity is supposed to resolve.

Isn’t this “problem created by” anyone who is rich then?

Yes. We should tax billionaires out of existence. This level of wealth and power accumulation is as unseemly as it is dangerous to our democracy and economy.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Great!

I would still much prefer to live in a culture in which obscene concentration of wealth–not least at the expense of meaningful government checking of the race to minimize employee count and wellbeing–does not mean we are beholden to gracious oligarchs to bestow basic services, thereby distinguishing themselves from the oligarchs who invest only in consolidation of their own power.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Speaking as a Seattle resident, and despite my dislike for Bezos, this was a stupid tax - more connected to Seattle's dysfunctional politics than solving our bad homeless problem. Among other things, it was keyed to revenues not profits (specifically to target Amazon) but it ended up burning the likes of grocers who provide decent jobs but don't have a lot of margin even with large revenues. Good riddance to it and a…

As a Seattle resident, what do you think of the argument that Amazon greatly contributed to homelessness in Seattle? I read somewhere that Amazon's explosive growth raised the property values in Seattle, which in turn caused a surge in homelessness. Is that true?

Homelessness is typically a mental health problem, not a property value problem

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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What's up with the critical comments in here? How many of the judgemental and jaded posters here donated anything close to this to a charitable cause? Good deeds must be applauded, not shamed for not being better. Especially if the definition of "better" is made up randomly on the spot.

Asking who else has donated anything close to this is a bit silly considering most people aren't billionaires. It might be more fair to ask how many people have donated 1.2% of their net worth to charity, and I think the answer will surprise you in that a lot of people have.

A second question is whether or not this makes up for how Bezos has gotten his money and the potential damages on society that has. If I burn down a house and then donate to the rebuilding it's still a net negative. The systems that allow people to amass this much wealth need to be looked at critically to see if they really are benefitting society or are just causing increased problems.

As a final note Bezos is getting a lot of negative attention because he's made comments before about how hard it is to get rid of his wealth while seemingly ignoring a lot of really good ways for him to do so. It took years of negative attention to get him moving on causes like this.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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No one's shaming him for not doing something better. They're shaming him for having a direct role in creating the problem this charity is supposed to resolve.

How is Amazon creating more homeless people?

Increasing home prices in Seattle, where the median rent is $2,400 [0]. By bringing in people from out of state with high salaries Amazon is making the housing market in Seattle much more expensive as more people compete for a mostly static stock of housing. Zoning laws, mandatory parking, improved public transportation, affordable housing regulations, and new development could all improve the current situation so local and state governments play a role, but it would be naive to assume the largest private employer in the region didn't play a role in creating the current situation either.

[0] https://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa/home-values/

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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As a Seattle resident, what do you think of the argument that Amazon greatly contributed to homelessness in Seattle? I read somewhere that Amazon's explosive growth raised the property values in Seattle, which in turn caused a surge in homelessness. Is that true?

My 2 cents is that Amazon isn't a major cause. There's a few things going on(1): - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues - Seattle does a remarkably crappy job of assigning the low income housing we build and/or contract for. Too many people get it who shouldn't qualify. Too many non-profits cherry pick their clients. Etc, etc. - It's super hard to get coherent services out of the system. Which ma…

> - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues

I think cause and effect are backwards here. Low wages and high housing prices seem like they'd naturally lead to homelessness and rates of drug addiction and mental illness among the homeless, although very high compared to the general population, are nowhere near as high as people would like to think.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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What's up with the critical comments in here? How many of the judgemental and jaded posters here donated anything close to this to a charitable cause? Good deeds must be applauded, not shamed for not being better. Especially if the definition of "better" is made up randomly on the spot.

> What's up with the critical comments in here? How many of the judgemental and jaded posters here donated anything close to this to a charitable cause?

I mean it's much easier to donate to charitable causes when you have more than enough for yourself and your family so that's not an apples to apples comparison, but he's also donating less than 1.5% of his wealth. Have I donated that much? No but I think I'm close and I still don't even have enough for my own emergency fund.

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