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Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Call me cynical, but shouldn't this $2B go towards compensating his employees well enough to not have to use government welfare programs? [0] [0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-takes-walmarts-spot-w...

Will this be more or less than the tax breaks given to the new Amazon HQ...

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Call me cynical, but shouldn't this $2B go towards compensating his employees well enough to not have to use government welfare programs? [0] [0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-takes-walmarts-spot-w...

Reminds me of the writing coming from Anand Giridharadas. In the New York Times last month he wrote:

"...even as they give back, American elites generally seek to maintain the system that causes many of the problems they try to fix — and their helpfulness is part of how they pull it off. Thus their do-gooding is an accomplice to greater, if more invisible, harm."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/opinion/sunday/wealth-phi...

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means that the public is subsidizing a company owned by the richest man in the world because he refuses to pay his employees a living wage. Doesn't this sound wrong?

It's wrong but how is it the company's fault? It is the government's responsibility to set a minimum wage. How come the blame doesn't fall on the policy makers and lobbyists?

It does. You're left with little recourse when policy makers and lobbyists are apathetic or actually working against the public good (by refusing to raise the minimum wage, which hasn't increased in some places for over a decade, and should be indexed to inflation).

Can you not assign blame to someone abusing a broken system? Surely you can. They are still abusing the system.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means that the public is subsidizing a company owned by the richest man in the world because he refuses to pay his employees a living wage. Doesn't this sound wrong?

Flip it around. These people needed government support, and Bezos is giving them a job, so now they need less government support than they did before. Bezos is helping to give money to people who would have otherwise been totally on welfare.

Turn it around again, Amazon has underrun the competition that was paying living wages before and destroyed the jobs those people had before, by not paying taxes.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the problem with the employees using public benefits? Genuinely curious.

This means that the public is subsidizing a company owned by the richest man in the world because he refuses to pay his employees a living wage. Doesn't this sound wrong?

We can argue until we're blue in the face about whose fault it is and who should be responsible for ensuring workers are paid a livable wage, but I would hope that we can all agree on this:

If you work full-time and you do a good job, then you should earn a wage that you can live on.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is more glory in philanthropy than in paying your employees. The ROI in terms of reputation is higher. Addition: the same is true for funding something like a computer lab at a school. Lots of good PR for funding a new one but nothing for keeping an existing one funded for the next few years. Although I think it's more valuable to make sure existing infrastructure stays funded.

You aren't anywhere near cynical enough. Taken far enough, programs to "help the homeless" -- instead of programs to reduce homelessness -- are a de facto plot to keep homelessness alive and well. It's a form of oppression of the masses. https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-shirky-...

Given that Bezos envisions, for example, creating a network of preschools in low-income areas, I'd say he's at least thinking about helping people get out of cyclical poverty.

Still, I'd also like to see Amazon pay its employees better...

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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He's obviously trying to diffuse the momentum of a movement that is aligning against him. The most popular politician in America just introduced the Stop BEZOS act: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/05/bernie-sa... The 2B are less costly than losing the whole shebang. I would not be surprised in the least if he ends up still controlling the 2B and this ends up as just a headline.

> The most popular politician in America just introduced the Stop BEZOS act

from the article: > Bernie Sanders

Popular by who's standards?

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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post #35

I hope this works and is successful. Still I can’t help but be reminded of the saying that roughly goes “the people who are paid to solve a problem end up having a vested interest in the problem not being solved.” Specifically with regards to homelessness, the problem seems to be the critical shortage of housing for people in general, leading to a total crisis of affordable housing, rather than a specific problem of…

It's called the Cobra Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect That said, one has to wonder how maintaining the homeless population would be beneficial to Amazon.

Not amazon but the organizations they fund and the people who work for them.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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post #55

"Philanthropy" is just another way that oligarchs take tax-free control of our society and shape it to their whims. A fine example of this is Bill Gates - with no educational training or experience, he used his fortune to push failing methods on millions on American kids.[1] Bezos is a great creator of poverty. He is the wrong person to try and fix it. We need to just make these oligarchs pay taxes and living wages,…

Potentially hot take: charitable donations (perhaps over a certain small amount) should not be tax-deductible. "Philanthropy" by the ultra-rich is essentially just them deciding where their tax dollars go.

Re: Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't anywhere near cynical enough. Taken far enough, programs to "help the homeless" -- instead of programs to reduce homelessness -- are a de facto plot to keep homelessness alive and well. It's a form of oppression of the masses. https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-shirky-...

I don't necessarily agree with you, but another interesting take on this is by Slavoj Zizek, who argues that charitable giving perpetuates the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

There's a place for charity in the world. But charity doesn't you give you a middle class life. When a man worth many billions can't be arsed to pay his employees a living wage, but wants to kick a few bucks towards "helping the homeless", something smells very rotten.
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