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Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by ptx »

cm2187 wrote: post #153
badminton1 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before World War II, French was more popular than English.

But none of what it takes for Chinese to posibly overtake one day is in place. Schools aren’t mass teaching chinese, chinese movies, music and authors aren’t captivating people’s mind, and there is already a modern latin (english), so learning chinese isn’t going to fix a problem people have, other than communicating with Chinese nationals who do not speak english.

> chinese movies, music and authors aren’t captivating people’s mind

Cixin Liu's "Three-Body Problem" sci-fi novel is pretty popular and is being made into a movie[1] this year. And some Chinese musicians, like Faye Wong, have been well-known in the the west for many years.

So while American, Japanese and Korean entertainment is much more dominant, I don't think that's an entirely fair statement.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4547948/

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by geebee »

zarkov99 wrote: post #217
throwaway713 wrote: post #36

The quality debate about scientific merit aside, if the U.S. wants to remain "the best", then we need to incentivize the best scientists and researchers in other countries to come here and become U.S. citizens. A lot of famous physicists, mathematicians, and logicians have done this over the past 100 years. Unfortunately, the attractiveness of becoming a U.S. citizen is waning because (1) current U.S. policies on sci…

There is also the matter that for a smart young American, Law, Medicine and Finance are far more financially rewarding endeavors than Science.

The RAND institute published a paper supporting this position:

It's a bit old now (2003), but I think it still holds. https://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP241.html

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

maimeowmeow wrote: post #130
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #22

Incredible fear from America: https://i.imgur.com/bOqjzCs.jpg

wechat is the modern day chinese "forwards from grandma" in the mobile age.

Got this from reddit. I don't think this is fake if that's what you're implying.

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by hatergonnahate »

jeffmcmahan wrote: post #66
paxy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting Chinese and other international students is for the USA's own benefit, and not some form of foreign charity. We get some of the smartest people in the world who do great work here and finance a huge chunk of operating expenses of universities through high tuition fees. Plus loads of them stay back and work for or start companies right here rather than in their home countries.

Yes, I do recognize that. However, it also benefits the Chinese regime enormously, and I think a future in which that regime has the scientific and technological capacity that we currently have is unlikely to be good for humankind (not that Western governments have been perfect ... or even basically good).

This is racism

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by hatergonnahate »

zuttton wrote: post #40
analyst74 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you realize how racist this statement is. I'm also surprised you've never met manipulative people who are not Chinese, like, are you living in rural China?

This is a known Chinese problem, not racist it is ingrained in their culture. Chinese will literally riot if they are not allowed to cheat..

You think you are from an objective view, but in fact the racism is built-in deeply in you. Nothing can change that.

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by eastWestMath »

baybal2 wrote: post #196
oh-kumudo wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US certainly has a cultural problem, out of all major countries out there, US has a weird position where a significant population denies evolution/climate change, and turned those topics into highly political charged issues. Also the US education system prior to college takes an another interesting aim to cultivate students' confidence, not by equipping them with logical training, but circumventing hard subjects like…

>Maybe it's time for US to let it down its own myth about American exceptionalism, and revisit the true cause of its current lead in global research: large influx of foreign talents, first from Europe, then Soviet Russia and now China/India. US was lucky to have this constant grab of the best minds from the rest of the world, but sadly, or maybe not, I can't see this would continue. That actually is US weakness, US a…

Uh, I mean, I’m a graduate student at a pretty good Canadian school and this hasn’t been my experience with the Chinese undergrads I teach or grad students I’ve worked with. I’m not saying they’re weak or anything, I just haven’t really seen anything to suggest they’ve been through a much more rigorous education program.

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by deegles »

oh-kumudo wrote: post #176
throwaway713 wrote: post #36

The quality debate about scientific merit aside, if the U.S. wants to remain "the best", then we need to incentivize the best scientists and researchers in other countries to come here and become U.S. citizens. A lot of famous physicists, mathematicians, and logicians have done this over the past 100 years. Unfortunately, the attractiveness of becoming a U.S. citizen is waning because (1) current U.S. policies on sci…

US certainly has a cultural problem, out of all major countries out there, US has a weird position where a significant population denies evolution/climate change, and turned those topics into highly political charged issues. Also the US education system prior to college takes an another interesting aim to cultivate students' confidence, not by equipping them with logical training, but circumventing hard subjects like…

Is it irony that tech companies spend millions every year on education initiatives, but don't do anything about climate change/evolution deniers on their platforms?

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by justicezyx »

throwaway713 wrote: post #36

The quality debate about scientific merit aside, if the U.S. wants to remain "the best", then we need to incentivize the best scientists and researchers in other countries to come here and become U.S. citizens. A lot of famous physicists, mathematicians, and logicians have done this over the past 100 years. Unfortunately, the attractiveness of becoming a U.S. citizen is waning because (1) current U.S. policies on sci…

> U.S. that really just doesn't care about science anymore

Not just "dont care", they routinely ridicule and make fun of scientific research personnels, everywhere. Hollywood being the worts offender.

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by kindatrue »

throwaway713 wrote: post #36

The quality debate about scientific merit aside, if the U.S. wants to remain "the best", then we need to incentivize the best scientists and researchers in other countries to come here and become U.S. citizens. A lot of famous physicists, mathematicians, and logicians have done this over the past 100 years. Unfortunately, the attractiveness of becoming a U.S. citizen is waning because (1) current U.S. policies on sci…

>if the U.S. wants to remain "the best"If.

The U.S. is fast becoming a retiree/senior citizen voting nation. Their top priority (understandably) is cutting taxes/costs to maximize their (poorly planned) retirements.

Being the best no long matters like it did when the boomers were young.

https://twitter.com/nextdoorsv/status/926282252392083457

Re: China now the most prolific contributor to physical sciences, engineering, math

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Post by hollerith »

kindatrue wrote: post #239
throwaway713 wrote: post #36

The quality debate about scientific merit aside, if the U.S. wants to remain "the best", then we need to incentivize the best scientists and researchers in other countries to come here and become U.S. citizens. A lot of famous physicists, mathematicians, and logicians have done this over the past 100 years. Unfortunately, the attractiveness of becoming a U.S. citizen is waning because (1) current U.S. policies on sci…

>if the U.S. wants to remain "the best" If. The U.S. is fast becoming a retiree/senior citizen voting nation. Their top priority (understandably) is cutting taxes/costs to maximize their (poorly planned) retirements. Being the best no long matters like it did when the boomers were young. https://twitter.com/nextdoorsv/status/926282252392083457

If the demographic shift you describe really does have the effect you describe, then most other countries are becoming even less interested in being the best than the US is becoming -- although I guess a person could argue that a country like China where the population cannot vote (on anything that matters much) will avoid the effect you describe.
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