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Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by qwerty11111 » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:56 PM UTC

cromwellian wrote: post #319

Seems no one understands Popper's Paradox. Lots of talk about it being unfair that a workplace is intolerant of people who are intolerant. There are just some values that are not negotiable for a modern, civilized, homogeneous society. We're not talking about debates about the level of social welfare, or regulation, we're talking about common decency of treating people equally, regardless of gender, sexuality, or eth…

I'm assuming you're totally against Asia then? Asian countries have been far more staunch against refugees.

Japan for example accepted only 27 refugees in one year while rejecting 7,586 according to the Brookings Institute. South Korea accepted only 94 in one year. Refugees are pretty much shut off from Singapore and China and many other Asian countries.

I'm curious why these countries don't receive the same flak for their "ethno-nationalist" views against immigrants. There are no boycotts against buying goods from these countries as they are with Trump hotels.

EDIT: I see that you work for Google. Your company is censoring content on behalf of the communist government in China despite their "ethno-nationalist" views against immigrants (not to mention their abysmal human rights record). What's the explanation?

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by akhilcacharya » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:01 PM UTC

monochromatic wrote: post #339

akhilcacharya wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the sole pollster that indicates this. The rest indicate low 40's to mid-high 30's. This is despite a growing economy. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

And we still trust polls in a post-2016 world?

....yes

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by michaelt » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:05 PM UTC

whytaka wrote: post #113

roenxi wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're doing meaningful work, you're changing things in the world. I don't accept that as a truism; most work is maintaining the historically unprecedented comfort that we enjoy as a society and I think that is meaningful. Providing food is meaningful, providing shelter is meaningful, extracting raw resources is meaningful, taxation and welfare are meaningful, taxation and government services are meaningful. I c…

> Providing food is meaningful, providing shelter is meaningful, extracting raw resources is meaningful, taxation and welfare are meaningful, taxation and government services are meaningful. I could go io but that covers the basic point. I'm amazed to read that you don't think these things don't change the world. And more so that you don't think these things are political! Agriculture is political. Land development i…

Presumably what roenxi means is you can't detect your butcher or plumber or garbage man's political affiliation by looking at their meaningful output; and neither when hiring such a person would you need to filter on political affiliation.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by qwerty11111 » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:12 PM UTC

zmix wrote: post #336

oriol16 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

treating people equally, regardless of gender, sexuality, or ethnic origin This is a very vague statement, you can apply to your convenience. You could say Damore broke the principle and justify any penalty against him. I could say you don't follow this civility premise by choosing your partner based on your gender. Every country in the world has "ethno-nationalist views against immigrants", and things work fine.

> Every country in the world has "ethno-nationalist views against immigrants", and things work fine. For whom?

Pick any country in Asia.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:12 PM UTC

qwerty11111 wrote: post #341

cromwellian wrote: post #319

Seems no one understands Popper's Paradox. Lots of talk about it being unfair that a workplace is intolerant of people who are intolerant. There are just some values that are not negotiable for a modern, civilized, homogeneous society. We're not talking about debates about the level of social welfare, or regulation, we're talking about common decency of treating people equally, regardless of gender, sexuality, or eth…

I'm assuming you're totally against Asia then? Asian countries have been far more staunch against refugees. Japan for example accepted only 27 refugees in one year while rejecting 7,586 according to the Brookings Institute. South Korea accepted only 94 in one year. Refugees are pretty much shut off from Singapore and China and many other Asian countries. I'm curious why these countries don't receive the same flak for…

20, 30 years ago many of the same people clamoring for open borders now were speaking against globalization, corporate imperialism, cultural imperialism, but speaking for and on behalf of the cause of American workers who were being swapped out for offshoring, etc. But now the credo is open borders and strong companies which can stand against nation states and dictate values.... It’s as if the political magnetosphere swapped poles.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by whack » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:13 PM UTC

tosser00001 wrote: post #335

cromwellian wrote: post #319

Seems no one understands Popper's Paradox. Lots of talk about it being unfair that a workplace is intolerant of people who are intolerant. There are just some values that are not negotiable for a modern, civilized, homogeneous society. We're not talking about debates about the level of social welfare, or regulation, we're talking about common decency of treating people equally, regardless of gender, sexuality, or eth…

"There's no reason anyone has to respect ethno-nationalist views against immigrants." There are plenty of reasons to be against the current immigration regime that don't involve ethno-nationalism but it's nearly impossible to forward any such arguments without being accused of being an ethno-nationalist.

It sure doesn't help when our President says Mexican immigrants are "drug dealers and rapists", and wants to cut off immigration from "shithole countries".

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by happytoexplain » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:13 PM UTC

randyrand wrote: post #50

jiojfdsal3 wrote: post #20

"(00:54:33) An employee asks what Google is going to do about “misinformation” and “fake news” shared by “low-information voters.” Pichai responds by stating that “investments in machine learning and AI” are a “big opportunity” to fix the problem." Anyone find this disturbing? They're trying to use AI to manipulate what users 'should' see?

It does bother me that they never acknowledge the more knowledgeable and informed trump voters. To think they don’t exist is almost as ignorant as the people they’re referring to.

I see this complaint a lot - "hey, we/they are not like that", in response to a discussion about some perceived problem originating from within a broad group of people (I see it happen on all sides, but maybe more often from conservatives in response to liberal "elitism"), and often it is legitimate, but a lot of the time it sadly is just used as an off-topic attack on the conversation. E.g. when somebody tries to discuss the "bad apples" in the police, instead of actually discussing them, the conversation often gets shifted by indignant supporters of the larger group, in this case all police, who feel attacked by the conversation. I often wonder how to avoid this - obviously the person bringing up the controversy must not have an aggressive, accusational tone, but even then these kinds of reactions seem omnipresent in any forum. I wonder how many of the people reacting this way are just reacting emotionally, and how many truly believe the premise of the topic is actually utterly false ("there are NO bad apples in the police"), or feel that it might be true, but that the framing is somehow always an irrational attack on the entire group they are a member of.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by happytoexplain » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

tkmo wrote: post #299

randyrand wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does bother me that they never acknowledge the more knowledgeable and informed trump voters. To think they don’t exist is almost as ignorant as the people they’re referring to.

Interestingly, Credit Rating is one of the strongest predictors of voting Republican

I don't think it's surprising that there's little relevance between somebody's financial wellbeing/decision-making and their tendency to believe misleading or false news that concerns political identity/ideology.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by geofft » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #251

lhopki01 wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much earlier period in history before there was a United Kindom.

Yes, a much earlier period that ended in the distant past of 1998. Sectarian violence is now limited to pubs and football matches rather than high explosive.

There absolutely was internal instability, but if the claim is "Your company should not adopt a political worldview, you will at most be as economically successful as Britain between 1534 and 1998," that's... not much of a cautionary story at all.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Post by happytoexplain » Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 1:20 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #295

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #282

HN can be a huge traffic generator, so can we change the URL to youtube instead of sending traffic to breitbart?

I think if the story is worth reading then Breitbart deserves credit for breaking it, whether or not you think they are bad guys.

I disagree - I think there's some level of malevolence and ill will at which an organization doesn't deserve any help if at all possible, even if they simply wrote a true story. If we were in some reality where there was no other way to consume the story, sure, then it's worth linking to them. But we'll always have other ways to instantly and easily host information.