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Twice it was mentioned that the cause of WWII was boredom. Is this actually a real theory?

> Is this actually a real theory?

I'm not a professional historian by any means, but I think Ernst Nolte's opinion (he was a German historian) that WW2 was actually an European Civil War fought between fascism and communism is right (you can read an introduction into the whole discussion on his wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Nolte). His basic idea was summed up by another historian, Norman Davies (you can ignore the "leftists" part at the end):

> Ten years later, in The European Civil War (1987), the German historian Ernst Nolte (b. 1923) brought ideology into the equation. The First World War had spawned the Bolshevik Revolution, he maintained, and fascism should be seen as a "counter-revolution" against communism. More pointedly, since fascism followed communism chronologically, he argued that some of the Nazis' political techniques and practices had been copied from those of the Soviet Union. Needless to say, such propositions were thought anathema by leftists who believe that fascism was an original and unparalleled evil.

People in the States and generally speaking in Western Europe tend to forget how much communism (Bolshevism as it was called back then) was seen as a threat after WW1. I happened to view a video on YT a couple of days ago of German Radio's official announcement of Hitler's death. I don't know German but the only word that I could distinctively comprehend was "Bolshevism" (or whatever its spelling is in German), which shows that even with Hitler dead and defeat just a few of days away the Germans were still thinking about the big bad man coming from the East (as far as I could heard no mention was made in the same announcement about the "Amerikaner").

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

#232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breitbart is hardly unique in being accused of being a tool for manipulating voters for the business-owning elite. In any case, it's just a conspiracy theory. You have no reason to believe the people at Breitbart don't sincerely believe in the issues they report on.

> You have no reason to believe the people at Breitbart don't sincerely believe in the issues they report on. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by staking the claim that they are doing this because they are a bunch of cynical bastards. You are making things worse for them by claiming they really are that stupid, and while I can't rule it out 100% it borders on the unbelievable. But if you want to go down that…

I don't think that conservatively biased media is necessarily either stupid or cynically manipulative. Bastards is a strong word. Can you really not imagine an intelligent decent person genuinely holding conservative beliefs?

You seem to have strong feelings against Breitbart. Why?

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

#233

"(00:54:33) An employee asks what Google is going to do about “misinformation” and “fake news” shared by “low-information voters.” Pichai responds by stating that “investments in machine learning and AI” are a “big opportunity” to fix the problem." Anyone find this disturbing? They're trying to use AI to manipulate what users 'should' see?

serious question : How else are they supposed to treat information at this scale ?

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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I find it a bit absurd when I hear pundits and media types claim that liberal bias doesn't exists in silicon valley tech companies (top to bottom). As somebody who lived in San Francisco for five plus years, I can firmly attest it is more than bias. It's utter disdain, hatred, and prejudice. Just look at how James Damore was handled it should be clear that diversity of thought and individualism is not accepted. It's…

I don't think anyone claims Californians working in SF aren't liberal. What you really mean is you want to be a mildly bigoted in peace and/or demand attention because historically disadvantaged groups are getting attention without any backlash while simultaneously telling others to get over their own insecurities. When people say you have a persecution complex you think its a liberal agenda. Case in point, no one th…

>The appropriate response to a silly request like that is "oh, uh, sure whatever. Just update the wiki."

The appropriate response to people being bothered by words is for them to grow a thicker skin. I want the world to be a better place, and I want that to happen by making individuals stronger. Individuals grow weaker if you coddle them in every way imaginable. So I find your request to change a word that upsets people disgusting and morally wrong, and that's why I won't change it.

So no, it's not just a matter of just saying "sure whatever".

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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post #73

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There are people personally threatened in every presidential election, and most of those fears are overblown pretty much all the time. Lots of extremist views in this country and lots of people feeling threatened about pretty much everything. Should google have held the same weeping festival in case Hillary won, and someone was personally threatened that she would start a new war in Syria or lead to war in Russia? Wh…

Oh come on, you're doing a terrible job of understanding how your political opponents think.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, and certainly not uncivil ones.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

#237

To be honest, it caught me by surprise how politically unified the whole top management is, and how strong their political convictions are. It is publicly known that Eric Schmidt for example supports democrats, but I (wrongly) supposed that is mostly his personal affinity. Now it seems that not; the company as a whole supports one political party. Now the question is how is this reflected in their products (search, G…

Isn't it more that they're against Trump, and what the Republican party has become? They are only for one political party because there is only one alternative. Back in the day, I know that their leadership was close with people like Colin Powell and Kissinger, so there are probably some traditional republican values held, it's just that in recent years the party has become completely toxic.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

#238

Part of my decision for leaving Google was the insane left leaning bias within the company. I never outed myself as a conservative person because I've heard coworkers equate republicans to monsters.

Maybe being conservative just isn't that smart to begin with?

Please don't foment flamewars on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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I think they are being genuine when they say their plan is to combat fake news with AI; their business is built around AI. It is one of their core competencies. I think they are going to fail, and quietly increase the human involvement once they realize that their AI isn't good enough. Then they will slowly scale back the humans as their AI improves, until the next controversy when they realize that they still need h…

That's a tragic view. How did we get to the state where the "truth" is such an elusive concept? Is it so hard to determine whether basic statements are true or false? And to build larger, higher constructs out of those building blocks? That's basically what science has been and is. It seems comically easy to identify fake news in most cases. Was this inauguration crowd larger than that one? That's a simple question t…

Why would you expect the truth of basic statements to be easy to establish? Science is hard and many basic questions are debated by experts. Political consensus is difficult.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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post #186

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It is interesting that you've been downvoted (as your post is gray when I saw it), just for questioning that you might face repercussions for adding a comment. Which kind of proves your point I suppose.

All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted. Especially when they explicitly draw attention to the fact that they are not contributing.

> All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted.

I actually think it contributed a lot to the discussion, hence why I upvoted it (even though it still looks grey to me now). More to the point, the OP seems to be a conservative Google employee who feels his/her job is threatened by the internal company culture at Google, internal company culture which can be seen in the the video itself.

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