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Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 10:09 PM UTC

sh87 wrote: post #130

pjmlp wrote: post #121

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Only on SV coffee shops. My world is pretty much divided between Java and .NET, with a sprinkle of C++.

Enterprise is slow but sure to follow. Look at NodeJS adoption for example today compared to 2 years ago.

Adoption is still zero on the projects I am involved with, to the point that one of the new features in Visual Studio is to access JavaScript libraries without any dependency on nodejs.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/webdev/2018/04/17/library-m...

Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by sh87 » Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 10:21 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #131

sh87 wrote: post #130

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Enterprise is slow but sure to follow. Look at NodeJS adoption for example today compared to 2 years ago.

Adoption is still zero on the projects I am involved with, to the point that one of the new features in Visual Studio is to access JavaScript libraries without any dependency on nodejs. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/webdev/2018/04/17/library-m...

So you work on enterprise projects which have zero NodeJs adoption. Got it. And what's with the reference to the plugin ?

It explicitly states itself as being a way to "simply [want to] acquire a couple of files" I don't get the connection you're trying to make.

Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Sep 11, 2018, 6:22 AM UTC

sh87 wrote: post #132

pjmlp wrote: post #131

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Adoption is still zero on the projects I am involved with, to the point that one of the new features in Visual Studio is to access JavaScript libraries without any dependency on nodejs. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/webdev/2018/04/17/library-m...

So you work on enterprise projects which have zero NodeJs adoption. Got it. And what's with the reference to the plugin ? It explicitly states itself as being a way to "simply [want to] acquire a couple of files" I don't get the connection you're trying to make.

Apparently you haven't read everything.

" - If your project does not require additional tools (like Node, npm, Gulp, Grunt, WebPack, etc) and you simply want to acquire a couple of files, then LibMan might be for you.

- LibMan lets you specify exactly where the files should be placed inside your project. (No additional build tasks or manual file copying required!)

- LibMan provides the benefit of a much smaller footprint in your web project as it only downloads the files you need. "

Basically the way to avoid touching node or anything related to it.

Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Sep 11, 2018, 6:27 AM UTC

kod wrote: post #116

oldpond wrote: post #115

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Elixir and the Erlang Beam are eating their lunch right now. Vastly more scalable and a joy to program.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=java&l= 26,689 java jobs https://www.indeed.com/q-erlang-jobs.html 83 erlang jobs

To add to it, as OP was mentioning Java and .NET being taken over Elixir

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=.net&l= 56,630 .NET jobs

Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by sh87 » Tue, Sep 11, 2018, 2:25 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #133

sh87 wrote: post #132

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So you work on enterprise projects which have zero NodeJs adoption. Got it. And what's with the reference to the plugin ? It explicitly states itself as being a way to "simply [want to] acquire a couple of files" I don't get the connection you're trying to make.

Apparently you haven't read everything. " - If your project does not require additional tools (like Node, npm, Gulp, Grunt, WebPack, etc) and you simply want to acquire a couple of files, then LibMan might be for you. - LibMan lets you specify exactly where the files should be placed inside your project. (No additional build tasks or manual file copying required!) - LibMan provides the benefit of a much smaller footp…

Did read, still don't get it. My point is SV/ Open Source is first to adopt newer tech. Enterprise follows by using these open source projects or acquiring companies that use this newer tech or just copying/building over them. I see wide adoption of JS on the server side in enterprise today compared to just a couple of years ago and NodeJS/NPM are the dominant forces in that direction. Some may be vary of NodeJS/server side js, sure but not most.

Re: Time to look beyond Oracle's JDK

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Post by jsiepkes » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 10:08 PM UTC

naikrovek wrote: post #109

jsiepkes wrote: post #46

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Your suggesting .net as an alternative but ironically the licensing of Java is largely shaped due to the Sun vs Microsoft lawsuit. Microsoft tried to do their famous Embrace, Extend, extinguish on Java (and failed: https://www.cnet.com/news/sun-microsoft-settle-java-suit/ ). Its only been a couple of years that Microsoft has been behaving "better". I suggest you read up on the history of Java, Android, Google and Mic…

What is your suggestion, then, if Java and .net are off the table?

I never said they were off the table. I'm saying it makes no sense to replace Java with .net based on the reasons provided.

Comparing evils is always hard. Oracle is definitely not my favourite company. However today this was posted about Microsoft: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/09/12/microsoft-intercepting-fir...