I miss this. Web pages were just data not programs.
FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
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Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#72I miss this. Web pages were just data not programs.
Why?
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#73Are there good free (as is free software) WYSIWYG website editors nowadays?
Hell are there good WYSIWYG website editors nowadays at any price?
Dunno depends on what you like, I liked Microsoft Expression Web and that seemed to be free but they discontinued it. I would love to see VS Code become a reasonable WYSIWYG editor for Markdown and HTML5 / CSS though. I have seen some Electron based editors for Bootstrap that are very good, trick is to do an HTML WYSIWYG editor you really do need a damn browser component to do it properly enough. I would also like to see Mozilla create something similar for Firefox Developer Edition, not just more JS editors.
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#74I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain why these style and many other at the time were so hedious given that in print for a century preceding it, we had beautiful color, font and layout.
I guess partly because it became easily accessible and also the curiosity to try different things. Cyan fonts on black background? It was beautiful and fun. :)
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#75FrontPage 97 was the first WYSIWYG tool I ever used, since graduating from the humble text editors. IIRC, I got a free upgrade to FrontPage98. Coupled with Visual InterDev, it formed the core of my webdev workflow. At the time Macromedia was making terrific advances in this space. Ca. 1999-2000 I moved to Dreamweaver, Ultradev, Flash and Paint Shop Pro(liked it better than Fireworks; story for another day).
isn't that back to front?
you were supposed to graduate from WYSIWYG tools like FrontPage, which generated utterly awful markup, to writing proper HTML yourself in a text editor
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#76Oh god, the horror. Not just the ugly webpages, those were the ubiquitous style at the time. No, FrontPage pioneered deep ugliness, because like all Microsoft products of the 90s it regarded interoperability as a threat. It produces ugly HTML that works best in IE, and it has an optional upload mechanism that requires IIS on the server side. https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/website/frontpage/th...
> and it has an optional upload mechanism that requires IIS on the server side.
So much time spent, as a small kid, looking for a free webhost that supported FrontPage extensions...
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#77Oh god, the horror. Not just the ugly webpages, those were the ubiquitous style at the time. No, FrontPage pioneered deep ugliness, because like all Microsoft products of the 90s it regarded interoperability as a threat. It produces ugly HTML that works best in IE, and it has an optional upload mechanism that requires IIS on the server side. https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/website/frontpage/th...
Well, they works best in IE because at that time there was IE only. Netscape navigator the other browser charge user, Firefox was just a beginning, as they want to take down IE because of their Navigator failure. It was great because it support some dynamic content. It was the first step to software like Dreamweaver as it bring concept in place. Having said that it was ugly design and I never like them even back then..
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#78The whole domain is amazing. Just look at this page, updated LAST YEAR: http://www.telecommanderhosting.com/ec/framed_Microsoft_OS.h... Look at the waving Win 95 logo! Not to mention the "office clipart guy" in the homepage... I am just suprised that the obligatory "under construction" gif is missing!
" You need to have JavaScript turned on for the shopping cart to work. "
That rarely happened on old pages
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#79Oh god, the horror. Not just the ugly webpages, those were the ubiquitous style at the time. No, FrontPage pioneered deep ugliness, because like all Microsoft products of the 90s it regarded interoperability as a threat. It produces ugly HTML that works best in IE, and it has an optional upload mechanism that requires IIS on the server side. https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/website/frontpage/th...
> because like all Microsoft products of the 90s it regarded interoperability as a threat. It produces ugly HTML that works best in IE
Just like nowadays with chrome!
Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)
#80You know, good design principles weren't invented in 2006. There was plenty of good design in the 90s in other industries (publishing, newspapers, magazines, advertising, academia, ...), but apparently fucking nothing of that filtered down to webdesign. I mean: yes, technology was limited. I get that you couldn't have free range with things like typography and that CSS wasn't a thing yet. But for the love of god: a t…
I think the novelty of the medium is what drove websites to have terrible design. To paraphrase Jurassic Park:
> Your developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should