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Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by tjoff »

babypuncher wrote: post #52
marasal wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get 50Mbps with 4G connection for 20euros per month. No data cap. Public ipv4 address. Router is 4 years old Huawei 4g router and I have installed outdoor antenna on the roof for stable connection. I have been with this setup at home for the last 4 years. I could propably get faster connection with new router but this is fine.

That still doesn't compare to the 300Mbps I'm getting right now even through Comcast, or the 1Gbps I'll be getting once the local fiber company builds out in my neighborhood in the next year or so.

Hardly comparable though. The context is wireless internet.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by tjoff »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #17

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

It highlights the effects of lack of competition and a broken market. I have more monthly data than I can ever use up.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by ksec »

NKosmatos wrote: post #60
ksec wrote: post #19

This is good news as it kept Ericsson on the battle field. Nokia is looking a lot worst though may be it will merge with Ericsson some day. In terms of telecom equipment industry Huawei is now bigger than Nokia and Ericsson combined. And may be I am the only one not entirely comfortable with that.

I don't know from where exactly you get this impression but last time I checked they only had a 1% difference (28% versus 27% and Nokia 23% with 2017 figures [0]). I can tell you that Ericsson is in a much better position than Huawei. And although I would also like an Ericsson Nokia merger, I don't see it happening soon ;-) [0] https://technology.ihs.com/600864/global-mobile-infrastructu...

Interesting.

Because even if you take out all the revenue from the consumer mobile phone business, which is growing rapidly as we speaks, the revenue from the rest of Huawei is still bigger than Everything of Nokia and Ericsson combined, in both 2016 and 2017.

[1] http://telecoms.com/481009/huawei-2016-numbers-reveal-the-ex...

[2] http://telecoms.com/488793/2017-numbers-show-how-much-huawei...

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by worble »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #69
cellularmitosis wrote: post #17

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

Did you have a smartphone 10 years ago? Do you remember what 3G was like? Wasn't so bad, right? Try using 3G in any metropolitan area today, a lot of times it's painfully slow. Why is that? Congestion. The reason to upgrade isn't necessarily to improve the best case performance for a single user it's to provide a better quality of service for a larger number of users. Anyone who's attended an event like comic-con or…

It still is, when you're not on a website that takes forever to load it's javascript bloat nonsense.

I'd far prefer it these networks worked on expanding their coverage. Living in the south of Wales both my house and work are almost complete dead zones, and it boggles my mind this is still an issue.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by Matrixik »

StudentStuff wrote: post #68
NKosmatos wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the good thing with almost all telecom equipment by Ericsson and their big advantage. Remote software update/upgrade while in operation with almost zero down time and also the ability to live/actively patch the running code.

It is one of the core features of Erlang (a language developed by Ericsson), being able to rewrite code in production, with errors/crashes that break one thread not affecting another. Obligatory link to Erlang: The Movie (10min)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIjfIjssLE Note that they start crashing things in Erlang around minute 7, and fix them shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, their setup keeps calls that weren't d…

Well, great for Erlang.

But this hardware is not running on Erlang but on C++. Erlang is used for testing.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by ksec »

StudentStuff wrote: post #51
dsl wrote: post #46

The real kicker is the last line. T-mobile can software upgrade its LTE equipment to 5G: > The partnership with Ericsson means that T-Mobile’s already installed base of Ericsson Radio System radios will be able to run 5G NR with a remote software installation.

Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client, but with the 10nm delays and 14nm being thoroughly booked with x86-64 and LTE modems for Apple, there isn't room for Ericsson to produce new chips on modern nodes. Worse yet, I hear Ericsson designed specifically for Intel 10nm, which leaves them up a creek for the next few years. A firmware update to make existing hardware have a longer lifespan and help Ericsson to reta…

>Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client

That is actually Nokia. Not Ericsson

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by Matrixik »

Brakenshire wrote: post #22
cellularmitosis wrote: post #17

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

I think it depends where you are. I’ve just looked, you can get 100GB for £20 a month in the UK (sim-only), cost of data is not a big issue here. I agree top speed isn’t too much of an problem in itself, but if with contention that speed can drop a hundred fold and still provide a good connection, the leeway is worth having. And presumably there are range and robustness of connection benefits as well.

In Poland now I have 100GB for 29zł (so around 8$). Also sim-only.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by namibj »

zanny wrote: post #62
asdkhadsj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish they'd stop selling unlimited. Everyone. I want to pay for my bytes, and I want you (carriers) to give me the service I pay for, at an guaranteed rate. A SLA, basically. Consumers get shafted on these deals. We pay for products with no agreement over what we're actually going to get. It gets tiring :/

Until there is legitimate competition in these spaces you will keep getting "up to X mbps" and "for the first 50GB, subject to change" in every providers terms. It doesn't help that actually pricing out Internet access is more complex than X cents per byte. For most providers data between the hours of 0100 to 0600 would be free because of how little network usage there is, while data from 1700 to 2300 would be most e…

My old university dorm internet was like that. There were 3 or 4 time zones per day, and only the few hours in the middle of the night were unlimited, otherwise iirc 500GB/month, measured by double and iirc. even triple-counting during prime time and such. For some reasons they were rather oversubscribed, offering 1000BASE-T in the dorms (with some L2 crypto auth), but only had 10Gbit/s fiber uplink in a few dorms. Considering they already had active equipment on both sides, this shouldn't be much of a problem though.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by ksec »

gascan wrote: post #34
cellularmitosis wrote: post #17

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

I was a little excited for 4G, because while 3G achieved respectable throughput, the latency was terrible- 4G seemed to dramatically improve. IMO 4G is pretty solid all around, and for the first time people are going, "5G? Why?"

>"5G? Why?"

It depends. As you can read from the replies, 4G in different market has different situations. The main theme of 5G will be bringing more capacity, and lower running cost for carriers ( At least that is what they said, I am not convinced on this matter ) . Top Speed is no longer a major selling point anymore, they want more Data, and 5G will bring anywhere from 5x to 10x capacity improvements. In theory, that should mean US telecoms has incentive to provide much Data for the same price, and EU citizens will enjoy higher speed as their Data package are cheap already.

The good thing abut 5G is, for possibly the first time in history Carrier is well prepared in technology stack than consumer counterparts, may of the carriers are installing and upgrading to 5G equipment now, but they are for now running 4G signals. All of them ( not just Ericsson, Nokia and Huawei ) allow software update to enable 5G signals. Those equipment already provides better LTE performance, making 4G and 5G transition much smoother. Every step from 2G > 3G > 4G were like revolution, 5G was more of a evolution of 4G.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by namibj »

lev99 wrote: post #15
toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone distributing C-band reception from RF quiet locations over IP?

If they are I'm sure they are quiet about it. They wouldn't have distribution rights. Bandwidth costs would be high.

There is such a thing as torrent though. Make initial reputation come from e.g. some crypto mining sufficient to fund the bandwidth costs from loosing the block to an uncooperative peer, and then handle reputation based on share ratio, either theoretical or measured.
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