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Re: Dry Water

#71

The patent getting snatched up by cosmetics and then re-discovered almost 50 years later makes me wonder how many cool advancements have been lost to industries that couldn't find any value from them.

Your comment implies that innovation was impeded in other industries because cosmetics "snatched up" the patents. I'm not so sure. Typically, academic and institutional researches DNGA* about patents. As a nascent technology shows commercialization potential, there is incentive for the patent holders to find some way of monetizing. I would imagine (but admittedly do not know) that a cosmetics patent holder would have…

> I would imagine (but admittedly do not know) that a cosmetics patent holder would have little reason to refuse to license to some entity operating in a very different field.

That's not really the problem. The problem is that you have entrepreneurs at the early stages of looking into developing something who discover that it's patented. Just the overhead (paying attorneys) to negotiate a patent license can be thousands of dollars, more if you want to negotiate a good rate. Nobody wants to pay that at Stage 0 before you even do the legwork to determine if there is really a promising product there. But determining that can itself cost many thousands of dollars and nobody wants to do that before knowing they can secure a patent license at a reasonable rate, so you have a chicken and egg problem.

Meanwhile there are many promising alternative avenues of research that aren't already encumbered by patents, so people go there instead and come back when the patent is expired.

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#72

The patent getting snatched up by cosmetics and then re-discovered almost 50 years later makes me wonder how many cool advancements have been lost to industries that couldn't find any value from them.

That reminds me. There is a great talk from someone at Mozilla (Something about making an org that lasts 1000 years?). In the talk the idea is presented that things kept secret are eventually lost. This was fascinating to think about.

It's been few years since I heard that talk and I now have seen a few examples of this around me.

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#73
One step closer to Dehydrated Water from Space Quest I, an essential part of the Survival Kit... as I'm sure many of you here undoubtedly know.

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#74
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, modulo particle size ( https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2018/01/18/EFSA-raises... ) it's inert (used as an anticaking agent, additive number E551), but don't breathe it in; silicosis is not much fun. (The FDA limit is 2% by mass of product, but it's silica. Silica is _extremely_ chemically stable.)

I was wondering if it was toxic or non-toxic. Silica gel packets say "do not eat" but they're in a ton of our food packaging so I'd hope they're non-toxic.

Food-grade additives are about avoiding adulterants, etc. I can't imagine people are going to that kind of effort for cheap hygroscopics.

Also, and here's what I suspect the real reason is; silica gel sold as a dessicant is hard (not quite as hard as silica glass, but hard), in relatively large particles, and indigestible. That's mechanically bad news for your intestines.

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#75
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, modulo particle size ( https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2018/01/18/EFSA-raises... ) it's inert (used as an anticaking agent, additive number E551), but don't breathe it in; silicosis is not much fun. (The FDA limit is 2% by mass of product, but it's silica. Silica is _extremely_ chemically stable.)

Could that lead to cysts in the GI tract?

No idea. I'm a doctor of mineralogy, not a doctor of medicine :-)

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#76

The patent getting snatched up by cosmetics and then re-discovered almost 50 years later makes me wonder how many cool advancements have been lost to industries that couldn't find any value from them.

The patent was on file. It wasn’t like it was “lost.” The patenting is orthogonal to being “lost.” Someone could easily go prowl through old patents hunting for “new” discoveries if they were so inclined.

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#77
I wonder if it would make a good fire retardant. The water would heat up and make steam and burst out along with some CO2 trapped in it.

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#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many fields there are waves with the patent expiration cycle, for instance 3D printing or VR. As the patents expire there is a flurry of new research, everyone obtains new patents and it becomes impossible to create viable products again, until the patents expire and the cycle begins again.

That's very interesting, especially considering that patents were originally created to incentivize people to publish details of inventions so they could be publicly known and accessible in perpetuity. To better uphold their original purpose, perhaps the patent rights period should be shortened to 6 years or thereabouts.

Their patent didn’t last 50 years; shortening the patent period would have had little effect in this case.

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#80

I wonder if it would make a good fire retardant. The water would heat up and make steam and burst out along with some CO2 trapped in it.

I suspect that would at least partly depend on how hazardous it is to humans, especially under high temperature/pressure or as an inhalation hazard. Is there an MSDS for dry water?
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