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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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malvosenior wrote: post #49
e40 wrote: post #32

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This shows the derangement of the people in charge. Why is this? Why this derangement on the subject of cannabis? I've read a fair amount, and every time I've brought it up, I get downvoted to hell. So, I'll ask: Anyone have a hypothesis on why a large number of our leaders, who happen to be older white men, are insanely against this plant?

I'm very pro weed, and as such have had a lot of conversations with non-smokers about its benefits. What I've come to realize is that a lot of more conservative people are really against any mind altering drug. Yes it's hypocritical that booze isn't classified as "mind altering" and is fully accepted. If I'm totally honest with myself I have to appreciate where they are coming from to a degree. I in no way think that…

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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by komali2 »

will_brown wrote: post #65
honkycat wrote: post #35

Everyone confused about the fucked up laws around drug control and the like in the united states: It is about locking up poor people in order to keep them from voting. It is about filling our prisons with non-violent offenders so we can force them to work for slave wages, and line the owners of the prisons and the politicians they fund's pockets. It's about political suppression, not about some moralistic crusade to…

Sure maybe the Nixon campaign/administration used laws that were on the books to target certain groups...but the laws already existed for more than a generation. Similarly, private for profit prisons, while they existed earlier, weren’t really a thing (as we know them today) until the 1980’s. So the idea drug laws were created as a weapon against hippies and blacks (30 years in advance) or to line pockets of prison o…

Right, while the above are all disgusting side effects of the shitty implementation of American drug law, I think good old fashioned American Puritanism is to blame for the original targeting.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by komali2 »

andrewhn wrote: post #69
jmcmichael wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-d... CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich... The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/richard-ni... Channel4: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-war-drugs-... These were all in the first page of Google results with the query 'John Ehrlichman quote drug law'.

But where is the interview??? I dont trust any of these sources.

You believe Forbes is falsifying news whole-cloth?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by jakelazaroff »

andrewhn wrote: post #69
jmcmichael wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-d... CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich... The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/richard-ni... Channel4: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-war-drugs-... These were all in the first page of Google results with the query 'John Ehrlichman quote drug law'.

But where is the interview??? I dont trust any of these sources.

Three of these sources link to it: https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by komali2 »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #45
tekromancr wrote: post #37

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Because, combined with a police state and selective enforcement, its prohibition is an amazing tool for filling prisons with black and brown bodies.

And thanks to the 13th amendment, once found guilty of a crime, are legal to be slaves. Again.

This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted.

>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by thebooktocome »

andrewhn wrote: post #69
jmcmichael wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-d... CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich... The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/richard-ni... Channel4: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-war-drugs-... These were all in the first page of Google results with the query 'John Ehrlichman quote drug law'.

But where is the interview??? I dont trust any of these sources.

In the future, before asking for sources, please tell people your whitelist of valid sources.

Otherwise, you're just rudely wasting people's time.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by komali2 »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #21
r_singh wrote: post #5

Pardon me if this sounds naive, but I'm slightly confused as to how recreational marijuana is legal in 9 states but the DEA still heavily controls cannabidiol as if it were still illegal?

Not naive at all. The issue is typically framed as States Rights and it's wrapped around the 10th amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. This has been an issue since the 1780s, so it will take more than a couple of sentences to give the whole rundown but it's like this. A few states ar…

Wait, peyote is schedule 1? How do they deal with native Americans taking that as part of religious ceremonies?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by andai »

komali2 wrote: post #72
will_brown wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure maybe the Nixon campaign/administration used laws that were on the books to target certain groups...but the laws already existed for more than a generation. Similarly, private for profit prisons, while they existed earlier, weren’t really a thing (as we know them today) until the 1980’s. So the idea drug laws were created as a weapon against hippies and blacks (30 years in advance) or to line pockets of prison o…

Right, while the above are all disgusting side effects of the shitty implementation of American drug law, I think good old fashioned American Puritanism is to blame for the original targeting.

Wasn't it the cotton industry lobbying against industrial hemp?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

pitaj wrote: post #48
honkycat wrote: post #35

Everyone confused about the fucked up laws around drug control and the like in the united states: It is about locking up poor people in order to keep them from voting. It is about filling our prisons with non-violent offenders so we can force them to work for slave wages, and line the owners of the prisons and the politicians they fund's pockets. It's about political suppression, not about some moralistic crusade to…

> It is about locking up poor people in order to keep them from voting. Poor people already don't vote in high numbers. > It is about filling our prisons with non-violent offenders so we can force them to work for slave wages, and line the owners of the prisons and the politicians they fund's pockets. That's part of it, but private prisons hold a small minority of the prison population. > It's about political suppres…

A lot of people really believe that marijuana is some horrible substance that will ruin you. My dad was one of those people and I believed him until I tried it in my 20’s and saw that it’s a vice akin to drinking at its worst, and often very positive.

I think some people had hidden racist or imperialist intentions and so found what they could hate about blacks and hippies and spread the lies. (Edit: obviously overt racist intentions have affected minorities forever.) I assume much of it was malicious and conscious and much was genuine belief that came from horrible racism. Then those people made television shows and news stories about how marijuana makes you dumb (conveniently diffusing any intellectual currency hippies had). People like my dad saw the propaganda and believed it wholeheartedly, and then I did too. So far removed from the 1950’s shows like Dragnet that laid it on thick, and having grown up in a different place full of friendly pot smoking hippies, I had a different experience and saw the lies for what they were.

But propaganda is started by those who want influence and believed by those who are unable to see through the lies.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by Thriptic »

throwaway76543 wrote: post #51
Thriptic wrote: post #16

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Marijuana is defined as a schedule one drug by the DEA, meaning they believe it has no accepted medical value and should not be studied. Being in possession of or trying to purchase this drug for a medical study would therefore be illegal. Publishing the results would be admitting you performed a federal crime and you would be arrested. Additionally, human studies require approval by an on site or third party institu…

Look, this is absurd. Yes, it's illegal but so what? Plenty of people have MMJ cards, have scanned their ID at a dispensary, or have applied for state cultivation licenses. The idea that academia is somehow prevented from engaging in this field because it's federally illegal is not credible and it tarnishes the integrity of the field.

I agree that it is absurd that we cannot study weed legally. At the end of the day when it comes down to illegal studies, it all comes down to risk tolerance: Is an individual willing to lose their ability to practice academic science (in that they can't get a university position, can't get federal funding, and may have to absorb a felony) in order to perform a study that the government says is not ok? For most people including me, that answer is no. How you choose to proceed is up to you, but I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly.
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