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Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete

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Re: Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete

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Every time one of these articles come up I wonder about the price per tonne of CO2 removed by simply growing wood and not burning it. I'm not really sure what that price is, but it seems to be around $20-$40 per tonne? Does anyone have a more accurate number?

Carbon in trees is still part of the carbon cycle, it will eventually be released again though it may be buffered for a time. That's merely neutral as opposed to negative that you get with sequestration.

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Every time one of these articles come up I wonder about the price per tonne of CO2 removed by simply growing wood and not burning it. I'm not really sure what that price is, but it seems to be around $20-$40 per tonne? Does anyone have a more accurate number?

I think all these comments about wood eventually releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere are missing the point. We don't need to capture it forever, we just need to get the ratio between carbon output and input under control in the next couple of decades. That should give us enough time to come up with longer term and sustainable ways of our planet... until we encounter the next problem, and so on. "Solutions"…

Additionally, if you permanently dedicate 1 acre of land to growing trees, then an acre of trees' worth of wood is permanently captured - though the individual trees may die and rot, more will take their place.

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I wish more people realized the concrete thing is snake oil. When you make cement, you heat up natural CaCO3 -> CaO + CO2. The heat itself also requires combustion, so more CO2. Some cements have perhaps 10% CaCO3 added to their mix. It’s not so much desirable as cheap filler. What the media fails to realize is pumping CO2 into curing cement reverses the CaO reaction. In other words, every CO2 molecule you capture re…

Read the page of the company doing it, that's not exactly what they're doing (which you correctly point out it would be pointless) - http://www.blueplanet-ltd.com/

Re: Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete

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Every time one of these articles come up I wonder about the price per tonne of CO2 removed by simply growing wood and not burning it. I'm not really sure what that price is, but it seems to be around $20-$40 per tonne? Does anyone have a more accurate number?

I think all these comments about wood eventually releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere are missing the point. We don't need to capture it forever, we just need to get the ratio between carbon output and input under control in the next couple of decades. That should give us enough time to come up with longer term and sustainable ways of our planet... until we encounter the next problem, and so on. "Solutions"…

And if we could forest up some places where there's no forest at the moment, a large fraction of that carbon would be tied up there basically as long as that forest stays up.

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Every time one of these articles come up I wonder about the price per tonne of CO2 removed by simply growing wood and not burning it. I'm not really sure what that price is, but it seems to be around $20-$40 per tonne? Does anyone have a more accurate number?

Carbon in trees is still part of the carbon cycle, it will eventually be released again though it may be buffered for a time. That's merely neutral as opposed to negative that you get with sequestration.

True, and the current CO2 problem is exactly because of that eventual release - it's just that the CO2 was locked in oil and coal from millions of years ago. Growing trees would work, but only as long as their decomposition can be stopped (like it did when coal formed) or at least limited so that not all their CO2 is released and a big part of it returns into the ground.

But, major tree growing operations are already being done, lots of companies are into the CO2 trading business where growing trees = an X amount of CO2 emission rights they can sell to CO2 producing companies / factories.

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Unless we stop burning fresh carbon, this makes no sense. The power has to come from somewhere, and if that isn't renewable energy, it's going to be a net loss. If it is, we should be substituting it in for fossil fuel instead of spending it on capturing carbon.

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Burn them for their energy and keep more coal in the ground seems like a good first step.

but wood burns so much more dirtier than coal, and leaves much more uncombusted remains that then have to clean. The problem is energy (or lack thereof) - and so why not solve it directly by adding ever larger sources of renewables, which eventually will becomes enough that there's no need to burn any fossil fuels!

Is that so? Even when ground fine and with enough oxygen? For local heating, I heard good things about the efficiency and cleanliness of wood pellet heaters.

Re: Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete

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Every time one of these articles come up I wonder about the price per tonne of CO2 removed by simply growing wood and not burning it. I'm not really sure what that price is, but it seems to be around $20-$40 per tonne? Does anyone have a more accurate number?

A 1 hectare (10k m^2) poplar plantation yields 30 tons of wet biomass per year; average carbon content of wet wood is 15-20%; that would translate into 4.5 tons of co2 sequestered per year (assuming that all the carbon comes from the atmosphere).

To offset 5GT of carbon dioxide emissions per year, you'd need 110 million hectares, or 1.1 million square km, that is 13 times the surface of Kansas. Then of course every year you'd have to cut down something like 1/7th of the trees, throw them in a big hole, and replant them. Just about doable, I'd say. :)

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