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Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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Brazil has the potential to be good and make anything bloom, be it startups, big corp etc. It has a good geographic area, plenty of natural resources (water, oil) and whatnot.

BUT!

What keeps Brazil from entering the row of 'actually a good place to live' countries is nothing but the rampant corruption and the sheer amount of bureaucracy involved in anything regulation or taxes in the country. It's not a matter of simply high taxes, but mainly a really complex system of hoops one has to jump to incorporate even a small and simple company. This sucks.

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I'm a Brazilian who use to work at some startups here. I have a strong feeling that we didn't produce more and better companies because of two things:

1) Public Universities here hates private money and do business, entrepreneur classes are rare and most of the teachers never did create a company (to teach here you must be an academic, a successful entrepreneur can't give classes about it). If you suggest to your teacher to start a business with his Ph.D. thesis, probably, he will feel offended by your suggestion.

2) Our legislation is bad. I'm mean, very very bad. Open a company in Brazil is crazy:

- So many taxes. I'm not talking about the value that you pay here, I'm talking about an insane amount of taxes. At the federal level, for example, there're 6 or more different taxes. And if you need to send a package across states, you need to deal with a lot of bureaucracy to transport it (and more taxes);

- Labour protection here is insane too. It's not cheap for small and medium companies. And there is a thing that makes it even more complicated for startups: legally, the owner of the company is in charge of the labor debts even when the company is broken. So, if your company broke, you can't close it until you pay all the labor debts, and if you don't pay, you can lose your home or other assets that belong to you, not to your company;

- Almost everything here is regulated, and our regulations are not easy to deal with.

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It's a myth that Brazilians are more creative. Doing business in Brazil is incredibly difficult - lack of talent, ethics and terrible financial sector.

I am Brazilian and it's been a year since I went into a bank to do anything. All expat friends say that Brazilian bank system is the best. This has a specific reason: inflation in 1980s imposed fast banking service.

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I used to work at a Robotics startup in Brazil. Talent was top notch - I’d say as good as any big Bay Area tech company (SWE, Mech & Financial). Founder was the main investor - he didn’t understand SW, treated SWEs & Mech Engs as if he was making them a favor for giving them a job and paid below market. At one point the guy fired the CFO for authorizing buying a cheap Split AC for our little 10ppl office in the middle of the summer while everyone was sweating their life’s away (he was off somewhere on vacation on his boat).

But the main takeaway for me was: corruption. The startup was doing something legitimately exciting and innovative but still the founder thought it was wise to sneak in a contract with his buddy at the state government’s office (super shady bidding process) to have them as a first client. Eventually the law caught up with it and the whole thing became a legal mess. + Equipment import taxes were ridiculous!

Oh yeah, and we had to buy our own coffee!!!!! Sacrilegious!

Re: Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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I'm a Brazilian, living in São Paulo state. I've lived here for 35 years, and before that lived in a number of other countries. In my current role, I do roughly 50% international travel. There's only one thing I'm certain about this post: it's that most brazilian commenters here will zero in on everything that's wrong about Brazil, regardless of the facts. I don't yet have a grand theory for why this happens, but it usually does. Anyway, on to the topic of the post.

Brazil has a really great startup scene, and there are many small and new companies popping up everywhere with interesting ideas. I've had my own companies participate in acceleration rounds and pitches and have been positively impressed with the quality of the programs and participants. In the past five years, funding has become much easier to get access to, and there are good hubs to exchange ideas and find talent to hire. Lots of interns and trainees coming out of university are hungry and talented, so there's a real talent pool to leverage. And the potential customer base for any class of product is massive.

A lot of the negativity will be around legislation, taxation, etc. From decades of experience both here and abroad, I can say Brazil doesn't deserve it -- it's easy and cheap to start a new company, and while taxes aren't trivial they are for the most part handled entirely by an accountant for a monthly flat fee. Yes, there are some vexing circumstances -- I've had companies subject to double taxation due to bureaucracy, and handling the chain of tax credits for physical goods that cross state boundaries is annoying. But by and large, for software companies, these are not very relevant concerns. And even with physical goods, there are lots of companies doing e-commerce nationwide, so it can't be that bad.

If there is one defining challenge to startups operating in Brazil it is that B2B deals are very slow to close. In my experience this derives from a tendency to undervalue services delivered by small companies, which for young startups is often the meat of a serious B2B contract. You can spend a year working on a 5-digit deal at risk before seeing the first payment from a customer. Often you don't have that runway and have to give up, pivot or die. In comparison, American and European companies tend to be much more agile about buying services. However, the transition to SaaS has made this problem tractable and I have seen many startups selling higher-value SaaS subscriptions successfully.

In summary, if you can manage to ignore the negativity, the country has great potential, and another round of successful startups should follow the existing crop the article mentions.

Re: Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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I'm a Brazilian, living in São Paulo state. I've lived here for 35 years, and before that lived in a number of other countries. In my current role, I do roughly 50% international travel. There's only one thing I'm certain about this post: it's that most brazilian commenters here will zero in on everything that's wrong about Brazil, regardless of the facts. I don't yet have a grand theory for why this happens, but it…

> most brazilian commenters here will zero in on everything that's wrong about Brazil, regardless of the facts. I don't yet have a grand theory for why this happens, but it usually does

It’s the age of Brazil (governmentally speaking). The current republic is fairly young and so the popular view is the equivalent of a twenty-year-old college student that is into libertarianism and thinks that all regulation and bureaucracy is bad and that the market should decide all things

Re: Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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post #24
post #2

It's a myth that Brazilians are more creative. Doing business in Brazil is incredibly difficult - lack of talent, ethics and terrible financial sector.

I am Brazilian and it's been a year since I went into a bank to do anything. All expat friends say that Brazilian bank system is the best. This has a specific reason: inflation in 1980s imposed fast banking service.

I am a Brazilian currently living in Canada and I was very surprised when I discovered that Brazil’s banks are actually much better than Canada’s.

Re: Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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I'm a Brazilian who use to work at some startups here. I have a strong feeling that we didn't produce more and better companies because of two things: 1) Public Universities here hates private money and do business, entrepreneur classes are rare and most of the teachers never did create a company (to teach here you must be an academic, a successful entrepreneur can't give classes about it). If you suggest to your tea…

”Labour protection here is insane too. It's not cheap for small and medium companies. And there is a thing that makes it even more complicated for startups: legally, the owner of the company is in charge of the labor debts even when the company is broken. So, if your company broke, you can't close it until you pay all the labor debts, and if you don't pay, you can lose your home or other assets that belong to you, not to your company;”

This is pretty normal, you need to lay off people before you run out of money to pay them. You don’t gamble with your employees paychecks.

As a business owner, you get the upside if business is going great. The downside is that you, the owner, only get paid if there is money left over after you pay your employees.

Re: Brazil: A look into Latin America’s largest startup ecosystem (2017)

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I'm a Brazilian who use to work at some startups here. I have a strong feeling that we didn't produce more and better companies because of two things: 1) Public Universities here hates private money and do business, entrepreneur classes are rare and most of the teachers never did create a company (to teach here you must be an academic, a successful entrepreneur can't give classes about it). If you suggest to your tea…

”Labour protection here is insane too. It's not cheap for small and medium companies. And there is a thing that makes it even more complicated for startups: legally, the owner of the company is in charge of the labor debts even when the company is broken. So, if your company broke, you can't close it until you pay all the labor debts, and if you don't pay, you can lose your home or other assets that belong to you, no…

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