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Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by zaarn »

codr4 wrote: post #6
amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Many occult texts claim that the monkeys of today are a result of back crossing human DNA into monkey species long, long ago; and that they have been in regression ever since, turning less human with time.

I would find that unlikely considering how rarely cross-species reproduction is and we're not talking a different species, it's an entirely different family. Monkeys are largely not compatible enough to produce viable offspring, the last time that I am aware humans cross-bred with non-humans was with Neanderthals.

And that's not even mentioning the even remoter chance that the offspring is viable and can reproduce.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by geuis »

wafflesindeed wrote: post #5
amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

It's also equally hard to trust give it's based on Hindu scripture, and the Wikipedia article itself states that they're considered mythical creatures.

Hmm. I am interested in this. Perhaps the modern forms have experienced enough predation that makes it difficult to follow this up. But we do such analysis often. Basically I would like to see if local ape populations continue to use our terms after a few isolated years.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #10
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

I wonder if multiple talking species can possibly coexist, or if one of them inevitably ends up destroying it's competitors.

Multiple human species existed at the same time, but got assimilated into Homo sapiens sapiens of today.

Wikipedia says that there is no consensus if they assimilated or not https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_humans

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by srean »

amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Under the aegis of, Narendra "Ganesha is proof Hindus knew plastic surgery in vedic times" Modi, many self appointed spokesperson of what Hindu's believe in, have come out of the woodwork.

They are the western analogue of humans riding on flying dinosaurs. Its the same phenomena. Now, we have our own Ku Klux Klan -- the cow rakshak's who are on a murderous spree with an implicit promise from the government that they will be insulated from justice.

Here's a partial list for HN's entertainment.

https://www.altnews.in/bjp-science-ganeshas-plastic-surgery-... a collection of youtube videos of the Prime Minister of India making such claims and videos of some other assorted jokers who are running the country.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by adrianN »

codr4 wrote: post #6
amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Many occult texts claim that the monkeys of today are a result of back crossing human DNA into monkey species long, long ago; and that they have been in regression ever since, turning less human with time.

There have been unsuccessful experiments to interbreed humans and apes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee

So getting human DNA back into apes doesn't seem possible.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by random314 »

amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Are we all going to pretend that an ancient mythological fairy tale text is the evidence of talking apes?

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by murukesh_s »

srean wrote: post #14
amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Under the aegis of, Narendra "Ganesha is proof Hindus knew plastic surgery in vedic times" Modi, many self appointed spokesperson of what Hindu's believe in, have come out of the woodwork. They are the western analogue of humans riding on flying dinosaurs. Its the same phenomena. Now, we have our own Ku Klux Klan -- the cow rakshak's who are on a murderous spree with an implicit promise from the government that they…

Please don't drag politics into HN.. I know you can link anything to a ideology or government and start bashing it. let's not do that.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by pcx »

amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

Us Hindus also believe that one of those monkeys could fly, namely Hanuman. That doesn't mean it can be possible. A lot of Hindu mythology is pure myth. Do not even try to link it to science.

Supporting myth and superstition with pseudo-science has become popular these days in India, thanks to our PM and the rest of the ruling party indulging in such practice.

Re: Why Can’t Apes Talk?

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Post by murukesh_s »

amriksohata wrote: post #4

Hindus believes apes did talk at some point, or atleast one species existed that did talk. They were called Vanara. They no longer exist but this literature might point to some species that are now extinct, no fossilised evidence though would be hard to guage from fossils. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanara

OMG, seriously, I am a Hindu and I don't believe apes did talk or we were flying around in pushpak vimanas. Anything that is described in mythology is mythology. Please enjoy reading it and read it to our kids, but tell them that it's a story. On the other hand if you want to do some solid work on bringing credibility to these mythical stuff mentioned in the stories, please do scientific research and try to back it with solid proof. Otherwise we will become a laughing stock in front of the scientific community.

p.s. There is a dark side version to the Vanara mythology, it was once told by my father and I have come to accept it as one possibility of how the name would have sticked. Here is one version: Vanara in sanskrit means Va-Nara? (question). It's like asking "Are you human"? So when Rama who was from north and when in excile came to contact with people in the south, he is said to have asked are you human? Va-Nara?

And don't forget all the gods then were Kings, which was so convenient isn't it? Rama was king but also is a god. Krishna is a king but also is a god, but oh wait Krishna is dark skinned, as he captured power from Kamsa and not of royal lineage, but in the story it was given a twist (even though he belonged to Yadav caste) that he was indeed of the royal lineage and of Brahmanical descent. Krishna wouldn't have minded that story himself.. So in all possibilities there were wars between two kingdoms (Sinhala and India) and the story is used to build the mythical story that we read now. Just enjoy reading it, but don't take it was written history or anything without solid backing.

p.p.s A comparable mythological story is Epic of Gilgamesh. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh). There are several elements in that story that is said to have inspired the Old Testament.

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