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Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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> And one of those is speed. Because of the way the DWeb works differently from the current web, it should intrinsically be faster This seems wrong to me.

It depends what's meant by "distributed". A content-addressable network could very well be faster because of the pervasive caching and it's immune to (D)DoS attacks. Things that aren't accessed frequently by a lot of people would be much slower.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#13
post #4

How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

Fixing the users usually brings more blood and sorrow than not fixing them, equality of outcome is not practical. All we can do is find some middle path with some checks and balances.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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post #4

How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

It's not really technological or social, it's logistical.

We've had all kinds of redundant network topologies that used independent networks for decades. The internet is decentralized, and it works pretty well, all things considered. The web is fairly decentralized, too: DNS is independent of a registrar is independent of a network service provider and all are independent of ISP's, and even those are independent of backbones.

The only thing that isn't very decentralized is the client-server IP/TCP/HTTP model. You can provide decentralized versions of HTTP services, but those are the things that are the most costly and inconvenient to decentralize. It can be done, but it's a huge pain with very little benefit.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#15

"lose your password and you lose access to everything" - I'm sorry but this UX blunder just won't fly. If we are to have decentralized web we'll need services for key recovery.

I think you mean "services for account exploitation and warrantless search by law enforcement"

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#16
post #4

How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

Imho it comes to incentives and different factions keeping each other in check, the same way it's done in Bitcoin and in some ways in Democracy. Although it's important to note that Decentralised systems are different to Distributed systems. In decentralized systems, there exist parties with more influence than others but none of those has enough influence to overpower all of the other ones.

You could see this play out every time any party has tried to take full control of Bitcoin. So far everyone has failed

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#17

"lose your password and you lose access to everything" - I'm sorry but this UX blunder just won't fly. If we are to have decentralized web we'll need services for key recovery.

Maybe a digital locker for your password that can only be decrypted by the password of 3 out of 5 friends.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#18

> And one of those is speed. Because of the way the DWeb works differently from the current web, it should intrinsically be faster This seems wrong to me.

I think the logic is that instead of everything going via a handful of servers at the big companies, it goes through many more thousands of individual PCs but of course, that depends on the technology used. Torrents should be faster but only if lots of people seed and don't simply download and disconnect.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#19

"lose your password and you lose access to everything" - I'm sorry but this UX blunder just won't fly. If we are to have decentralized web we'll need services for key recovery.

Maybe a digital locker for your password that can only be decrypted by the password of 3 out of 5 friends.

Nah, what if your friends conspire against you? A better idea, imo, is you have three physical keys. If you lose one, then you can use the other 2 in order to revoke it and generate a new one.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

#20

"lose your password and you lose access to everything" - I'm sorry but this UX blunder just won't fly. If we are to have decentralized web we'll need services for key recovery.

I think you mean "services for account exploitation and warrantless search by law enforcement"

I, and I suspect many other people, often have online profiles and existences and we simply don’t care about the government seeing it. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like a high security option for some things, but most of what I do online is frankly trivial nonsense. I’d be much more upset if I lost access to it forever than I would if some jackbooted thug decided to snoop around it. Why does everything need to be the digital equivalent of a Supermax prison? I want the full range from a guy on furlough to Hannibal Lector fullly restrained, mask and all.

If you’re only willing to offer me the “Lector” package, I’m going to pass.

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