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Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others?

This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online.

Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe.

Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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post #4

How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

It will always be a struggle, just like the offline world. It doesn’t mean you give up, we haven’t defected to a new world order offline so why do it online?

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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I hadn't heard of the Dweb, the term appears to have been coined by Mozilla [0]. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/07/introducing-the-d-web/

Nah, long before that, by the dweb community and the Internet Archive, leading up to the first Decentralized Web Summit / DWeb Summit in 2016 :)

https://2016.decentralizedweb.net/

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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post #4

How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

It will probably look and feel a lot like how Github has effectively centralized git repos. At least in this world if we don’t like how somebody is centralizing something it can be easily and quickly moved.

Re: Decentralisation: the next big step for the world wide web

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How long until it reverts back to some nodes having way more influence/power/data than the others? This is not only a technology problem, it's (mostly, I'd say) a social one. Humans will always want more power and control, whether it's in real life or online. Every single type of governance has fallen victim to human greed and ambition, as will any kind of Internet, I believe. Fix the users - save the Internet! :)

I think a lot about this.

In A Thousand Plateaus, Deleuze and Guattari talk about the opposition between the state apparatus and the "war machine" (their term for a nomadic/decentralized structure). They talk about how it seems like nomadic societies are primitive, but actually a lot of nomadic societies have "collective mechanisms of inhibition" to ward off the formation of a state apparatus, by preventing power from accumulating within any one party and "evening it out" among everyone.

The applicability of D&G's ideas on the war machine to our current problem of platform power is immediately apparent. A centralized platform is exactly like a state apparatus. In our situation the collective mechanisms of inhibition might be something like stronger/more proactive antitrust laws to break up/nationalize entities that become infrastructural components of the society.

But as you've mentioned, I think this problem of "uneven development" is a feature of any marketplace-like structure. In sufficiently large numbers, a power law tends to assert itself with no other checks on power. This is why blockchains by themselves won't solve the problem. The debate, then, shifts to be about whether this is a feature or a bug, which is something that I'm never sure about.

To close, another quote from ATP comes to mind ("smooth space" is another term they use for nomadic spaces):

> Smooth spaces are not in themselves liberatory. But the struggle is changed or displaced in them, and life reconstitutes its stakes, confronts new obstacles, invents new paces, switches adversaries. Never believe that a smooth space will suffice to save us.

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