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Why Are Newspaper Websites So Horrible?

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Re: Why Are Newspaper Websites So Horrible?

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I work at a educational publishing company developing interactive digital books. Everyone involved in the publishing/editorial dept. is quite frankly completely clueless about technology. Not only they don't know it works, but most importantly they couldn't care less about it.

It would not surprise me the people at the helm in large newspapers don't really care about "the experience" and still think in terms of content + ads. Heck, even Wired's website is horribly bloated and slow.

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Why are newspapers so horrible? My family used to get a paper newspaper when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's. It had all the regular stuff - news, local news, editorial, sports, etc. But mostly it was ads. On Sunday it was a monstrosity, being nearly unmanageable due to the number of ad inserts. Most of it you threw away without looking at. Most of the stories had no value. One day later I couldn't remember wha…

Our local paper was the same but with dedicated days for certain types of ad. Thursday was jobs day, Friday was property day, etc.

Pre-internet days, Thursday was always a day you had to buy early if you were in the market for a new job - after 3pm it would be hard to find anywhere with a copy left to buy.

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post #15

Newspapers slit their own throats back in 1994-5 or so when they decided to put their content up for free because they could sell ad space. It was a bad idea then, and I don't think anyone's tried to fix it in the past 25 years.

Lots of newspapers paywall their online content.

...and still have mostly ads.

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I actually did some freelance website development for a local newspaper website around 15 years ago. I can't speak for larger newspapers, this was my experience with a much smaller one. The biggest challenges I found were: 1. Lack of a real technical / engineering department. Having said that, their core business is news and they really just need a functioning website, not a full (and expensive) engineering departmen…

> They wanted the website to "feel" more like a real newspaper, including things like incorporating custom layout, design and other elements on the website. Explaining the limitations of HTML, CSS and Javascript was a bit ... frustrating for both sides. Did they demand "page turning animation" each time user clicks "next page" in the pagination?

I think 15 years ago the main misunderstanding would be that web pages have to able to flow around the dimensions of the window that the user has chosen. You can't fix things in particular places as newspaper people would be used to.

I imagine today people are more familiar with that concept.

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post #4

I actually did some freelance website development for a local newspaper website around 15 years ago. I can't speak for larger newspapers, this was my experience with a much smaller one. The biggest challenges I found were: 1. Lack of a real technical / engineering department. Having said that, their core business is news and they really just need a functioning website, not a full (and expensive) engineering departmen…

> They wanted the website to "feel" more like a real newspaper, including things like incorporating custom layout, design and other elements on the website. Explaining the limitations of HTML, CSS and Javascript was a bit ... frustrating for both sides. Did they demand "page turning animation" each time user clicks "next page" in the pagination?

In the early days of the web, lots of print-originating online outlets, did.

Re: Why Are Newspaper Websites So Horrible?

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Why are newspapers so horrible? My family used to get a paper newspaper when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's. It had all the regular stuff - news, local news, editorial, sports, etc. But mostly it was ads. On Sunday it was a monstrosity, being nearly unmanageable due to the number of ad inserts. Most of it you threw away without looking at. Most of the stories had no value. One day later I couldn't remember wha…

The news is horrible because journalists are almost never experts on whatever they're writing about, so whenever they write about something that might actually still have meaning in three weeks, they fuck it up.

Re: Why Are Newspaper Websites So Horrible?

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Why are newspapers so horrible? My family used to get a paper newspaper when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's. It had all the regular stuff - news, local news, editorial, sports, etc. But mostly it was ads. On Sunday it was a monstrosity, being nearly unmanageable due to the number of ad inserts. Most of it you threw away without looking at. Most of the stories had no value. One day later I couldn't remember wha…

This model wasn't that bad. Given this was print, the ads were somehow vetted - chumboxes (Outbrain/Taboola) wouldn't exist, because even the shittiest of newspapers would say "What is this bullshit?" and put a stop to that. Even the people at the printing plant would be perplexed if they had to print that shit.

Going further, even the business model of chumboxes wouldn't exist - back in the days of print, ads were mostly used to sell a product; where as the point of chumboxes is to drive more eyeballs to other sites where they can look at other ads; the content itself is worthless.

Nowadays, ads are delivered programmatically from a third-party, which means the newspaper has no way to even know what garbage is going to be displayed to their readers. This is the real problem.

Re: Why Are Newspaper Websites So Horrible?

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post #24
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of newspapers paywall their online content.

...and still have mostly ads.

The Washington Post is the perfect example of this.

They have two paid plans, a "Basic" one and a "Premium EU Ad-Free Subscription" promising "No on-site advertising or third-party ad tracking". However, trying to subscribe to the latter still says the following:

> By subscribing, you agree to the use by us and our third-party partners of technologies such as cookies to personalize content and perform analytics. Please see our Terms of Service, Digital Products Terms of Sale and Privacy Policy for more information.

Yeah, no thanks.

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