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Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Advice on a good mail service? I've got one foot in the door of really increasing my privacy online but one is still stuck behind with Google products.

Protonmail or fastmail are both decent.

Seconding Fastmail if you want a good mail provider. They also provide calandars, contacts, notes and file storage in the package, but obviously can't match the level of integration that Google products have with everything.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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The cynic in me thinks this is in anticipation of GDPR related challenges. Users that accepted a TOS are easier to track (at least, it's easier to mount a legal argument that some tracking and profile linking is ok) compared to users that never accepted anything at all. next up: push for new standards that favor chrome over other browsers.

The gdpr agreement form on websites usually requires you to enable 3rd party scripts and cookies otherwise you get hit with endless popups about it. Someone should make a browser extension that automatically denies every gdpr popup.

https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

This one aims to automatically close all such popups. It doesn't "deny" permissions, but that's what content blockers such as uMatrix are for.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Now Google can (potentially) associate your browsing history with your identity, whereas before, any read of one's history would be anonymous.

Everything you do in chrome is called back to google servers. Even if you block cookies you can look at the network tab in dev tools and see it calling back; also it sends the links you click on to a malware check service (you know, safe browsing) that server tracks everything you click on: no cookies needed; there are also endpoints for transmitting your urls for 'quality of service' (to optimize bandwidth), that tr…

Note that the Safe Browsing service is also used by Firefox. If you interact with a CA or some other services they may also use it to check that a domain does not have a history of malicious activity.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Also, last time I checked the Firefox UI uses more screen real estate, leaving a little less space for the content. The difference with chrome is small, but clearly noticeable. If Mozilla fixes this, then they have an additional user ;)

Perhaps setting the UI density to “compact” will help? I like minimal UI, but Chrome’s feels a bit too minimal. I think Firefox on compact is a perfect balance.

For everyone looking: Hamburger menu -> Customise -> at the bottom Density -> Compact.

Thanks!

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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post #237

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I completely switched whenever FF quantum was released to stable. The experience is amazing. I will say I think chrome dev tools are better though.

I keep hearing how awesome FF quantum is. I always have a copy of FirefoxDeveloperEdition for the occasional compatibility testing, and I keep coming back to it over the last few months, the last time being yesterday, but it just feels as sluggish as ever, whereas Chrome just feels snappier until there are hundreds of open tabs. Am I using it wrong? Also, Firefox tabs are as ugly as ever (lots of thick lines), and th…

Chrome does seem faster and better to me too. Nevertheless I switched to Firefox some years ago (and I’m quite a Google fan). It is good enough for heavy use.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Google will be doing everything to associate your behavior over all boundaries, device, profile, account, job and home as well as private stuff.

This is just one of the many changes that explicitly show that google wants all data aggregated.

You might get by for now by thus technique or that, but eventually Google will close those holes.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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You are fundamentally describing Firefox Containers. They are awesome and they work just like that, allowing you to have multiple independent sets of cookies for each context you need.

That sounds great! But if Mozilla follows the pattern they have set, they will discontinue that extension, just like they dumped Tab Groups, etc. So why should users invest in using it and building workflows around it, when it's probably just another rug to be ripped out from under them?

Fair criticism. This one feature, however, is something they've recently been pushing quite hard. I'd bet on medium-term first party support.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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post #116

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Firefox also has Multi-Account Containers add-on which is much more lightweight than profiles: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

Ah, yes, I forgot to mention that. This is basically Firefox learning from Chrome's mistakes after 10 years, just as Chrome learned from Netscape's mistakes. Chrome added in-browser support to profiles, then Firefox added preference and add-on sharing.

I don't quite understand your comment. I think you are assuming that Firefox's containers are like Chrome's profiles, but they're not.
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