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Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by thomasfedb »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #4

I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

> I am routinely met with open hostility from self proclaimed trans activists, feminists, etc.

Hostility towards what? I assume they attack a view you hold, rather than your being a stay-at-home mother.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by DoreenMichele »

seibelj wrote: post #10

Children of Men? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Men

There was an episode of Stargate where an alien race reduces human fertility by 98%. They do some shenanigans with time travel to tell themselves to not contact that world in order to prevent it.

May have auto-play audio:

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/2001_(episode)

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Post by [deleted] »

stevebmark wrote: post #36
zaroth wrote: post #4

I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

congrats on the worst take on HN

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Re: Sperm Count Zero

#46

Post by DoreenMichele »

thomasfedb wrote: post #41
DoreenMichele wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

> I am routinely met with open hostility from self proclaimed trans activists, feminists, etc. Hostility towards what? I assume they attack a view you hold, rather than your being a stay-at-home mother.

Oh, lots of different things. As best I can tell, the hostility is towards me personally, not a specific view per se.

I've been accused on HN of being transphobic for attempting to speak about women's issues. I don't really care to dig up a whole lot of examples to convince skeptics. I was homeless for nearly 6 years and only asking for help with trying to figure out how to make money online. I got damn little support and was actively dismissed, especially on a different forum that likes to imagine it is female friendly. I don't think it really is.

Anyway, those painful experiences made it quite clear to me that a lot of people literally would like to see me dead. I'm aware that callous indifference isn't something most people will take seriously as a form of attempted murder, so I don't actually want to talk about this. Additional hostile dismissal of my opinions of my experiences won't change my opinions and, ironically, are unlikely to be seen as supporting evidence for my point.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by acct1771 »

thomasfedb wrote: post #41
DoreenMichele wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

> I am routinely met with open hostility from self proclaimed trans activists, feminists, etc. Hostility towards what? I assume they attack a view you hold, rather than your being a stay-at-home mother.

I read it as hostility toward her being in a "traditional gender role".

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by dfdsfdsjfhdsjfh »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #4

I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

Lord help me for even responding to this nonsense, but here I go. I'm trans, prior to starting hormones my sperm count was 91.90 million/mL (close to 1973 benchmark noted in the article.) Please don't spread harmful speculation.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by DoreenMichele »

dfdsfdsjfhdsjfh wrote: post #48
DoreenMichele wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

Lord help me for even responding to this nonsense, but here I go. I'm trans, prior to starting hormones my sperm count was 91.90 million/mL (close to 1973 benchmark noted in the article.) Please don't spread harmful speculation.

That's what they call "anecdata" or N=1.

It isn't evidence that my thoughts are nutso and irresponsible behavior.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by zaroth »

Analemma_ wrote: post #37
zaroth wrote: post #4

I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

> a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather than alarm bells. I'm not sure about that. The Internet "manosphere" (for lack of a better term; consider it the all-encompassing phrase for both harmless and not-so-harmless subcultures like weightlifting, PUA, redpillers, the alt-right, etc.) seems more obsessed with masculinity than anyone I can recall seeing in previous dec…

It’s exactly those harmless and not-so-harmless subcultures obsessed with [toxic] masculinity who are the fringe groups which somehow (almost by osmosis) seem to corrupt this fairly shocking scientific line of inquiry.
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